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William McCormick
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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 5:43am | IP Logged | 1  

William and Mike, I didn't make a statement.  I asked a couple of questions.  You might have infered something that wasn't intended, but to go on and call someone retarded is just uncalled for.

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If I misunderstood what you meant, then I apologize. I took it as you saying "Look, the sytem works, we don't need health care reform."

If it was just a question, then yes, they give him to her for free because of the severity of her condition. Before she started taking the Humira, around 50% of her skin was covered and her fingers and other joints were in constant pain. She has a few scaly patches now, but other than that her skin is almost 100% clear and the pain in her joints is completely gone. 

And that's my point, she needed it. Her dermatologist said her condition was in the top 10 worst cases he had ever seen, and yet the insurance company fought covering the drug for 2 years. 2 goddamn years I sat and watched the woman I love suffer, while some pencil pusher decided she wasn't worth the cost of the drug. All the while paying these douchebags $206 dollars a week for the coverage.

Imagine when you can't go out in public without long sleeves and pants because of the way your skin looks. That alone should have been enough to qualify her for the drug. Factor in the joint pain and it should have been a no-brainer. But when your only motive is profit, and not the welfare of your customers, that's what you get, and that's the system we have created in this country. The almighty dollar is more important than the health of the people paying their salaries. Gotta keep them bonuses, you know.

Sorry, we can do better. And we should. Health insurance in this country isn't a little sideline joke anymore. People are suffering and dieing because they get denied treatment.

Again Jeff, if I misread your post, I'm sorry. The whole situation is still a sore subject with me.

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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 6:13am | IP Logged | 2  

William, as a Brit with only limited knowledge of how your medical insurance system works I have a question.
Couldn't you have changed insurance providers?  Like you would if your current company won't properly insure your house or car, you shop around for the best deal.
Surely that's how the system should work, the companies should be trying to make themselves more attractive and you get the choice of company dependant on their providing of services.
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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 6:36am | IP Logged | 3  

"Couldn't you have changed insurance providers?"

Pre-existing condition. To use an analogy with car insurance, it's like realizing AFTER your car has crashed that your insurance company is going to try and short-change you and THEN trying to get your wrecked car insured and paid for by another company.

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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 6:41am | IP Logged | 4  

I was just thinking that with Capitalism being key on much of what I'm hearing on this healthcare debate, the first insurer that said they will take pre-existing conditions - probably ruling out some and accepting others, would make a ton of cash just from people switching.

But like I say, my knowledge in this is limited.


And this youtube link shows a very ugly side to this.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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If ONLY one insurance provider said they'd take people with pre-existing conditions, and cover them fully, they'd be flooded. By people recquiring regular pay-outs in excess of what they pay in. The whole set-up of private insurance is based on having most people pay in without getting anything back most of the time.

If you accept customers that no-one else wants, you end up with a customer pool where most people need pay-outs in excess of pay-in most or all of the time. This, in turn, increases the average insurance costs, driving your healthy customers with many options to companies who don't accept pre-existing conditions who can offer more competitive rates.

A company with only healthy people (or whose sick people never need to be paid for as all their ailments are traced back to pre-existing conditions) can offer lower rates or get higher profits than those who accept and pay out for people with pre-existing conditions.

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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 8:34am | IP Logged | 6  

William, looking back I could have phrased my questions better, but no slight towards you or your wife was intended.  I'm glad the pharma company stepped up and provided the medicine she needed. 

It shouldn't have had to work out that way, but honestly I don't see how the current healthcare/health insurance package that's being rammed thru is going to change any of that.  There is no tort reform and the insurance companies are going to be getting a larger piece of the pie because the government is going to force people to buy insurance.  Just using you as an example, that sure didn't help much a few years ago did it?  Medicare is going to be cut, forcing unfunded mandated back on the states that are already fighting stretched budgets.  We will have to pay into this system for 4 years before any of the benefits start.  These are just a few of the problems I have with the current bill.

The democrats have wasted over a year trying to force something thru without actually working with the republicans on this issue.  And before anyone barks up, the republicans have done the same thing in the past, yes, I know.  It's still not correct, no matter what party is doing it.

We need to look and solve the individual problems with health care on a one-on-one basis.  This huge onmibus bill doesn't even try to do that.

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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 7  

But Jeff they have tried to work with the republicans.

But are you not remembering the response the right came out with, targeting democrats town hall meetings to scream them down.
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Brad, when you rent the gun, you only are allowed to shoot it onsite at the range.

They don't let people leave the premises!

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Jodi is correct; it's a talking point to say that republicans haven't been
involved. Point of fact, the bill has been watered down to near-
worthlessness to appease republicans who are still opposing it just as
act of obstruction.   (See the anti-rape vote for a funny/sickening
example of the idiocy of their obstruction).

The current bill is basically the republican bill of the early 90s.

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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 10:59am | IP Logged | 10  

The Dems caving in to allow a provision for abstinence-only education aggravated me.
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Posted: 20 March 2010 at 2:26pm | IP Logged | 11  

Abstinence-only education is the reason we have so many Right-wing extremeists methinks...
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William McCormick
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William, as a Brit with only limited knowledge of how your medical insurance system works I have a question.
Couldn't you have changed insurance providers?  Like you would if your current company won't properly insure your house or car, you shop around for the best deal.
Surely that's how the system should work, the companies should be trying to make themselves more attractive and you get the choice of company dependant on their providing of services.
 
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No. I had to stay with the one the company provides. Every 3 years the union I was in would renegotiate our contract and whatever changes the company and the 10 man negotiating team agreed to, is what we got. We could vote to go on strike, but usually all you accomplish there is losing your paycheck till one side caves. The cost share for our premiums was set up with the company paying 75% and each employee paying 25%. To get other insurance, I would have to pay the full cost, and with what I made that would have been impossible.
 
Plus the whole preexisting condition thing would have come into play.
 
Now don't get me wrong. Having that insurance was better than having none. I have none now and it sucks. Luckily I got my kids on CHIP, so they're covered. A government run program that works. But it can't be done according to the Repubs. I guess they never used any military health facilities. All government run and some of the best medical care I ever received.
 
And I agree with Jeff on one thing, this bill fixes nothing. The Dems caved and let the Repubs run it into the ground. The only thing they brought to the table is tort reform, as if that would fix the entire mess. This whole thing wouldn't have pissed me off so much if the Repubs had at least been truthful about what the bill was. Instead the go on tv and rant about death panels and socialism and  any other retarded thing they could come up with.
 
On a lighter note, I was flipping past the 700 Club last night and watched Pat Robertson tell an audience member that he no longer invests in the American businesses because our country is becoming too socialist. He puts all his money in Canadian and Australian businesses. Just.......wow.
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