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Jason Mark Hickok
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but if you wear a Yankees jersey to a Red Sox game, you have to expect to get some kind of pushback....
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Man I do hate it when Yankee fans that are at Fenway!
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Jason Mark Hickok
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| Posted: 11 July 2009 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 2
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I could see a day where coming to the JBF is more frustrating to JB (and not just poor, maligned Larsen! LOL) and he decides to reduce or stop participation.
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I would hate to see this. You aren't going anywhere are you JB? =)
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Scott O'Malley
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And quite honestly, its a little silly to say I am fighting JB's battle for him...
READ MY POSTS... I am fighting my own battle... I come here to interact with JB and JB fans... I read posts for the last 3 years... (quiz me- I've been here: Ari Shapiro, Gerry Turnbull, Clint's commissions, I know them all... I just wasn't prompted to post until recently).
I can't help it that EL's games stand out to me like a sore thumb. But Anthony is right in one regard. It is Saturday, I am house sitting with nothing to do, so I am lighting up this thread with a ton of posts... I spoke my piece I'll let it go.
I wish the rest of the JBFers would see what is going on and ignore EL so he would go away, but it is what it is....
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Jesus Garcia
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What was it that Spock said about self-made hells?
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Scott O'Malley
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but if you wear a Yankees jersey to a Red Sox game, you have to expect to get some kind of pushback....
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Man I do hate it when Yankee fans that are at Fenway!
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I'm a Clevelander, our biggest sports figure (Lebron) wears Yankees gear to Cleveland Indians home games... and (much like how some react to Larsen) many residents don't see a message there at all!!!
(Maybe I am just a cynic who sees the worst in people. THAT must be why I am a fan of the evil JB :)
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Eric White
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Why he comes here -- well, your guess is as good as
mine. Since I have "no influence", it seems like there should be no
reason for him (or anyone else) to pay any attention to anything I say
or do. Right?
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You've always said that if anyone has a problem with what you say, they know where to find you, JB. I guess Erik is here to take you on!
He just never counted on Scott.......
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Jason Mark Hickok
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I'm a Clevelander, our biggest sports figure (Lebron) wears Yankees gear to Cleveland Indians home games... and (much like how some react to Larsen) many residents don't see a message there at all!!!
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Scott - Columbus guy here. Well being a Clevenland sports fan explains everything! =) (just teasing of course)
But you really do have a lot to be cynical about at least in the sports world.
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John Byrne
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You've always said that if anyone has a problem with what you say, they know where to find you, JB. I guess Erik is here to take you on! •• Seems inherently contradictory tho, doesn't it? "I'm right here if you have a problem with anything I say!" "Nothing you say has any influence -- so I'll be right there!"
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John Byrne
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"This may sound shitty--but I think that the biggest reason that John Byrne's hasn't been a big influence on the industry is that he didn't bring anything new and original to the industry. Yes--he drew some cool comics--but his power came from Jack Kirby and his rendering style came from Neal Adams and his quirkiness came from Steve Ditko and everything else came from somewhere else. When somebody draws the Hulk--readers don't think "Oh, he got that bit from Byrne" they think "Oh, he got that bit from Kirby" because that's what John was looking at. "•• This is actually quite funny. When Jim Warden commented upon the death of Jack Kirby that / was the "King" now, I took some editorial space in NEXT MEN to discuss the idea and point out just why it was not true. Larsen "responded" to this with his own typings, showing that the statement was not true by listing the same reasons I had given. Now, after thirty years of me saying all I see when I look at my own work are the influences, Erik Larsen wants to tell the world that all there is to my work is. . . . the influences! The man is a positive Kreskin!
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Eric White
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All I know is that you drew the best Hulk I have ever seen. I thought you took Kirby's version as a jumping off point and made the character your own.
And then every one who followed kept adding and adding to the Hulk's build until he was as big as a house!!
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Eric White
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Seems inherently contradictory tho, doesn't it?
"I'm right here if you have a problem with anything I say!" "Nothing
you say has any influence -- so I'll be right there!"
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A lot of people seem to say you have no influence..... then proceed to talk about every post you write!
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Steve D Swanson
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I discovered JB's work on Namor and She-Hulk and because I was such a fan of those books my comic book shop proprietor suggested I pick up Man of Steel (which remains my favorite comic of all time), and then told me if I wanted the good stuff I'd have to go back to the X-Men/Fantastic Four. I got a few issues of Fantastic Four which were great story wise but I didn't love the art (though looking back now I think that was more the inking, really don't like Ordway on JB, never have) and I picked up Classic X-Men. I liked that a lot, I liked the slickness of it but it just didn't speak to me like his work on MOS and Namor and She-Hulk had.
That's why I think a lot of this comes down to WHEN people first encounter an artist, rather than the art itself.
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