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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9129
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | 1
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Why would your older work be better than your newer work i think it's a lot to do with being younger and a lot more enthusiastic and your head being full of ideas!
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 9410
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 2
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Why would your older work be better than your newer work i think it's a lot to do with being younger and a lot more enthusiastic and your head being full of ideas!
I agree with JPB, After years of being in the industry and having to deal with the drama that goes along with it. I can see how that would make a person jaded. As subtle as it maybe it could show thru the art.
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Charles Sanders Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 80
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 3
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In comics, great artwork can make a story seem better. Maybe a great story, in turn, colours our reaction to the artwork.
Perhaps some who prefer JB's artwork on X-men or Fantastic Four do so because they have a particular fondness for those stories or characters.
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John Peter Britton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 May 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9129
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 3:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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I think John Byrne's artwork on the Fantastic Four in the 1980's was fantastic for the time it was done, if he did it now it would be absolutely out of this world his mind is at a different place now!
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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 July 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | 5
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talk about MIND READING... Erik Larsen reads the minds of everyother comics professional EVER
"What's hurt John more than anything is that he's difficult. Because he's difficult, a lot of people don't want to work with him--and because his star is fading--he's not perceived as being worth the trouble." -Erik Larsen 3/23/2009
http://savagedragon.com/
the website doesn't allow direct links... click message board and it is a current thread titled "? for Erik: John Byrne's Influence"
Now THAT's some mind reading...
but Erik comes here and plays the nice guy, and you all eat it up!
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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 July 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | 6
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More Erik Larsen re: JBF and JB
Yeah--sadly. People ask why I don't post on his board more but the truth is that it's pointless. He locks or removes threads whenever things don't go his way, which is often because his logic is so skewed and flawed. It's frustrating to have posts deleted and discussions terminated midstream. _________________ Erik Larsen 3/24/2009-----------------------------
if posting here is so frustrating.... I think there is a solution we could agree on!!!
I for one like JB's perspective... its what I come here for. I go to alan davis' board for his perspective, etc....
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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 7
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more mind reading from Erik.... what JB thinks as he draws, and what people think when they look at the drawings.....
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This may sound shitty--but I think that the biggest reason that John Byrne's hasn't been a big influence on the industry is that he didn't bring anything new and original to the industry. Yes--he drew some cool comics--but his power came from Jack Kirby and his rendering style came from Neal Adams and his quirkiness came from Steve Ditko and everything else came from somewhere else. When somebody draws the Hulk--readers don't think "Oh, he got that bit from Byrne" they think "Oh, he got that bit from Kirby" because that's what John was looking at.
There are a few mannerisms and panel compositions that I see from time to time that give me a Byrne vibe-- but that's about it. That, and the few artists who were heavily influenced by Byrne have all but disappeared.
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133555
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:47pm | IP Logged | 8
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People ask why I don't post on his board more but the truth is that it's pointless.•• Which of your posts have been deleted, Erik? Fact is, you know you are bulletproof. You're just not worth the shitstorm that would be unleashed if I nuked you, so I am stuck with you. Common sense (or courtesy) would suggest you'd voluntarily remove yourself, if posting here is such anathema to you -- but those are simply too much to ask, aren't they? You can pick up your hairshirt at the desk.
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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 9
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if anything, JB has been gracious to Larsen.... participating sparingly in Larsen's pointless threads, and allowing him to continue to post here.... isn't it obvious:
step 1:
Erik posts a thread here as the "innocent nice guy"
step 2:
Erik tells HIS OWN message board that he posted here
step 3:
Someone at JB calls out erik for his kid's games
step 4:
Erik goes back to his board, head hung low, describing how he was abused and mistreated by JB and JB's fans....
Four easy steps and you have a Bad JB story! Its manipulation 101....basic stuff folks
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 9410
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | 10
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Scott, it's obvious you feel very passionate about what you're saying. And I don't want you to think that I'm saying that it's not valid for you to feel that way but I doubt very much that JB needs you to defend him against Erik Larsen or anyone else for that matter. Perhaps leaving their disputes be between them would be best. The thought that Erik raises is valid and is worth debating, whatever past discretions between Erike and John, he hasn't taken a shot in this thread, and as far as the comments he's made about JB, well everyone's entitled to their opinion. I've heard other people professionals in the industry say things similar to what he's said about JB. But then again something negative is always going to be said about somebody who is in a position that JB and those like him are in. Some of them we may agree with, some of them we may not. But none of that should stop us from enjoying coming here or reading their work. That's their personal griefs not ours.
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Scott O'Malley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | 11
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we all need to wise up here....I could see a day where coming to the JBF is more frustrating to JB (and not just poor, maligned Larsen! LOL) and he decides to reduce or stop participation.
I am here for interaction with JB. If I wanted to interact with Larsen, I would go to his site. I went there for the first time today... there is negativity, cursing... not my scene. Instead of posting there as the "nice guy", I am just not going to go there.
I will stop pasting Larsen posts from his site, but those 3 are not the least of his posts about John.... Get over it Larsen. Some of us do see JB as everything you claim to know (for a fact!!) he is not.
You are entitled to your opinion, but if you wear a Yankees jersey to a Red Sox game, you have to expect to get some kind of pushback....
Erik is a master game player.... he looks innocent and it appears like I caused the problem in my reaction to his "innocent" post...
I know my post count is low, but I have been a long time visitor of this forum....
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
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Posted: 11 July 2009 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | 12
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Perhaps leaving their disputes be between them would be best.•• There are no "disputes" until Larsen creates them. Can we drop all references to "disputes" and "feuds" and other such nonsense, please? This is Larsen, taking advantage of the fact that this is an open Forum, coming in, stirring up shit, and then hiding behind his deer-in-the-headlight, "I'm-SUCH-a-HUGE-John-Byrne-Fan facade whenever anyone even remotely calls him on it. Why he comes here -- well, your guess is as good as mine. Since I have "no influence", it seems like there should be no reason for him (or anyone else) to pay any attention to anything I say or do. Right?
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