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Jason Mark Hickok
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Wilson- I think nostalgia does play some part into it but maybe in regards to what is someone's "favorite" work by an artist. This can then lead into what they consider to be the artists "best" work.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Scott, JB himself has said that he's been getting "your old stuff is better" since he turned pro. You think that after 25 years as a high profile creator Erik Larsen hasn't heard the same criticisms as JB got by the first year?
This is something that all pros hear at one time or another and any pro is entitled to have an opinion about. I don't care what your opinion is of Erik Larsen, but to assume that he doesn't have the right to an opinion about this as a seasoned professional is what is arrogant.
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Scott O'Malley
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he has a message board for posting his thoughts on the comic art form... he has to come here because of what ensues.
I am not fighting for JB.... its just a stupid first post. Its obvious... Einstein's later work (nuclear power) was much more prolific and brilliant than his early work. But the early work is remembered because that is what made him famous in the first place.
When something is put out there as "classic" and "epic" like Dark Phoenix, other things naturally will look lessor to begin with.
The only reason Larsen bothers me is that, it seems to me, he knew exactly what he was doing and that it would start a fire... why? he went out of his way in the first post to say "this is not directed at any one artist" 2 times... to write that, he can't play dumb now... he knew he was writing something that COULD BE construed as a slight to JB (hence the disclaimer being added twice), so my only question, again, is WHY HERE AND NOT YOUR FORUM....
Except he was posting it in another artist's forum, where just what he was posting has been a long running point of frustration for said artist... come on guys, its obvious!!
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Steve De Young
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Scott, most of us here are capable of having civil discussions, even with people with whom we strongly disagree. I see that you're relatively new. Regardless of your mind reading as to why Erik posted his initial post, the rest of us are discussing its content. If you want to do the same, great. But all you're doing now is trying to start a secondary, off-topic debate about Erik that the rest of us, by and large, aren't interested in.
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John Peter Britton
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With age you mature like a fine wine!
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Brian Miller
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he has a message board for posting his thoughts on the comic art form... he has to come here because of what ensues.
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Wow. You simply must take your mindreading out on the road. You'll make millions!
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Scott O'Malley
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Steve, I hear you... i'll move along... long time lurker here,
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Paulo Pereira
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Before your post (which is more than 30 posts into the thread), the discussion was only about comparison of earlier work (of at least several different artists) to later/current work.
If there's a fire, it seems you're the one who started it.
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Scott O'Malley
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agreed paulo
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Albert Matthews
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My own experience in a (semi) creative profession--in my case journalism--is that I reached a point around age 35 or so where the mechanics were all second nature to me. So my stories were all flawlessly written, but tended to lack that undefinable "spark" which separates technical brilliance from something legitimately exciting. I opted at that point to abandon journalism for teaching because I wanted to feel creatively uncertain again (and find a goddamn job), but if I hadn't I would have no doubt become an "elder statesman" of journalism--still loving the profession, but past the point where I truly had anything new or original to add to the mix. This type of progression in a field isn't a knock against anybody, it's simply human nature. On every technical level, "Bringing out the Dead" is a far superior film to 'Taxi Driver," but I've never heard of anyone being passionate about the former.
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John Byrne
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…he has a message board for posting his thoughts on the comic art form... he has to come here because of what ensues.****************** Wow. You simply must take your mindreading out on the road. You'll make millions! •• Oh, come on! THAT thread title in THIS Forum? Please! This is Erik being his terribly clever self, as usual. You don't need to read minds to see it. Especially when, as noted, he has his own forum in which to discuss whatever he wants.
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Jonathan Watkins
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As a reader of comic books I've been drawn to clear storytelling. I'll always prefer a Dave Gibbons or a John Byrne to someone who has a lot of sizzle but no steak. Which makes it frustrating that so many of the fans go for the flashy, splash page-prone, pin-up artists.
If there was a magic month where every comic book had to be done with a nine panel grid on every page, a lot of popular artists would not be turning in any work. Gibbons, JB and the others who have taken the time to figure out sequential storytelling could all still be dynamic and clear within that constraint.
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