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Stephen Sadowski
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| Posted: 13 July 2009 at 9:20pm | IP Logged | 1
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Andy, I'm slowly building my website...if you want to Email me I'll send you scans if you like?
I know The Artists Choice has a bunch of stuff online..but just Email me and I'll send you some?
stephensadowski@shaw.ca
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Chris Back
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| Posted: 13 July 2009 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | 2
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I could name a thousand things I love about JB's art....but one thing that stands out is the body language. You could take the little "pointers" off the word balloons and I could still tell who's saying what just by how the words match their pose. Mood and emotion don't end with facial expressions....and no one puts it on the page better than JB.
All this talk about Shooter has got me wondering if he's not the man Marvel needs to turn it around?
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Keith Thomas
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| Posted: 13 July 2009 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | 3
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All this talk about Shooter has got me wondering if he's
not the man Marvel needs to turn it around?
I don't know who it is but you have to wonder how low sales
have to go before Joe Quesada gets fired.
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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I don't even know why the Liefeld name keeps showing up in here every now and then. ---- Because he's the wipping boy of the comic industry. And some people here like to whip.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"Because he's the wipping boy of the comic industry. And some people here like to whip."
A whipping boy, much like a scapegoat, gets blamed for (or whipped for) the things he doesn't do (as well as occasionally something he might have done, but that's incidental to the position as whipping boy). Rob Liefeld isn't being blamed for shit he didn't do. He's just a wonderful all-purpose bad example, because as bad as his art was, it kept getting worse, he is famous for swiping, he has failed to deliver on solicited comics so many times and ....
If we want to discuss good examples, we drag out guys like Joe Kubert or Will Eisner etc. because they're fairly perfect as all-purpose examples. As is Rob Liefeld. Just in the other direction.
People aren't whipping him about for stuff that somebody else did, are they?
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Brendan Howard
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| Posted: 14 July 2009 at 6:00am | IP Logged | 6
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Stephen Sadowski wrote:
Was JBs Demon ever collected? I remember
leafing through a couple issues thinking I would pick up the trade when it
came out, and I don't recall ever seeing one... Anyone?
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So ... any reason you didn't just buy the issues in your hands if you thought
it looked good? You understand that your wait-for-the-trade attitude leads
to the cancellation of books, right?
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Wallace Sellars
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| Posted: 14 July 2009 at 6:18am | IP Logged | 7
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Stephen, JB's BotD run is definitely worth the money if you can find it. I
really enjoyed his work with the supporting characters on the title.
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Darren Taylor
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| Posted: 14 July 2009 at 6:25am | IP Logged | 8
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One of the things that a less evolved artist will do,is draw what they are comfortable with. Like the oft noted "stock" poses. An artist will have a bank of poses they often recycle. Well this phenomonon doesn't appear to be limited to just poses but how to render particular textures (think on how metal is rendered) or how to proportion a Hulk sized character and many other facets of their art.
What this does is provide a very obvious look at not only all the weak aspects of an artists work but it also lays out all their strong points. As the weak points become less an unfortuanate thing can happen, where some of those aspects that -you- may hve considered a strong point in the early work, turns out to actualy be a weak point by comparison to the ever evolving work and is subsequintly weeded out.
One of the thing's I -used- to consider a strong point in JB's work, by example, was his uncanny ability to make -every- pose seem iconic/dynamic. Now, it seems as though only a few of his poses are iconic and my knee-jerk reaction is, "His old stuff is better" But let's flip the view on that. Maybe the reason, every pose appeared iconic was because there were a limited bank from which they were drawn. Perhaps there reason there are less now is because there are more natural poses drawn from a larger bank?
So am I really saying his older stuff was better, when clearly see that it wasn't? Or was it just simpler to see the good bit's when they weren't surrounded by equaly good bits? As an artists work becomes more rounded, it's less easy to say what's their best bit*.
I often look at The Human Torch story, "Hero", with the little kid who set's himself on fire as a wonderful piece of Comic book storytelling, moving, well drawn and rich throughout but it's not a patch, IMO, on Reed trapped in a Spacesuit in the Negative Zone with Blastaar fighting the FF and then Annihilus..."Rip Wide the Sky!"
I know great artists can deliver stories like "Hero" and they should. But what brought kids to the genre were stories like "Rip Wide the Sky!" and when the two collide you get stories like "The Last Galactus Story".
* And we "fans" are well known for following the path of least resistence.
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Anthony Frail
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I think it has all to do with the fact that people don't like stuff based on whether it's "good" or not. You see something and if it's appealing to your eye, you like it. If it's not, you don't.
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B J Mayer
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| Posted: 14 July 2009 at 7:17am | IP Logged | 10
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"You understand that your wait-for-the-trade attitude leads
to the cancellation of books, right? "
I think that is unfair to say to someone. You understand that there are many factors that leads to the cancellation of books and that waiting is not the only thing, right?
Have you considered asking why someone waited for the trade in all instances? Do they need gas money? Do they want to go on a date with their girlfriend? Was there something just more interesting or better to them that particular month that BotD had to wait?
I flip through dozens of books each month that I think look great, but I can't pick up. I hope that if a trade comes out i may get another chance, if not, so be it. But you should be applauding those that are at least in the shops getting monthlies, even if they can't get all the ones you want them to have.
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B J Mayer
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"I don't know who it is but you have to wonder how low sales
have to go before Joe Quesada gets fired. "
If you look at Marvel's actual publishing profits, they only have reason to keep giving the guys raises. Net profits have pretty consistently increased over his ten years.
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Darren Taylor
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"You see something and if it's appealing to your eye, you like it. If it's not, you don't.
"-Anthony.
Not in dispute. What's under the microscope here is whether or not Artists, by rule, get progressively less appealing the more they practice their art?
From your comment, all one could discern is that -nothing- an artist does counts for anything and that it is -all- in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure the truth has to be some middle ground?
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