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Matt Adler
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 1  

"If you are inclined to read what Erik Larsen has to say and wish to interact with him via a message board, my best suggestion would be to go to his site.  I don't think the expectation should be that the JBF is one-stop-shopping."

Oh, absolutely. And where should I go to hear what Matt Reed has to say?

Come on guys. Can't we leave it to our host to decide who gets to post and who doesn't?

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Matt Reed
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 2  

Are you really in the habit of being so sarcastic after two days here on the forum?  Really?

BTW, I don't know if you noticed, being new here and all, but I'm a moderator.  I think I can safely tell you that we discuss all of this among ourselves with JB.  So when I tell you something, like I did above, you can rest safely in your bed tonight knowing that it has, in fact, been discussed with John. 

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Matt Adler
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 3  

Check my join date.

And it looks to me like JB has made his feelings pretty clear on the matter; he's certainly not wild about Larsen, but has made the decision not to ban him. Can't we leave it at that?

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Matt Reed
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Doesn't matter.  19 posts in 4 1/2 years?  Yeah that's a pretty new member where us getting to know you is concerned as well as your ability to be incredibly sarcastic in the span of several posts.

My point still stands.  If you want to talk and interact with Erik Larsen, go to his board.  Don't expect to do it here.

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Matt Adler
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"My point still stands.  If you want to talk and interact with Erik Larsen, go to his board.  Don't expect to do it here."

I never said I "expected" to do it here. I said, until JB decides otherwise, Erik shouldn't be chased off. That ought to be a pretty non-controversial position that should apply whether the name in that sentence is "Matt Reed" or anyone else. Why should it be different for Erik?

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Frank Norman
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:28pm | IP Logged | 6  

Thank goodness we can get back to the proper civil discourse that the  JBF is known for!

JB, very intrigued about your new Angel book. I can hardly wait till you're able to leak some pics.

 



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Casey Sager
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 7  

Matt Adler - The last I checked, Erik Larson is still free to post here and if he doesn't post here anymore it's by his own decision. I've seen this act before from him and it's old.

 

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Thorsten Brochhaus
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | 8  

So whatever the intention of opening the thread was, it looks like it has been a perfectly fine discussion about comic book art until somebody who already got banned from the board showed up with a fake name, which is against the forums rules, and stirred up shit? And he claims he is the guy that wants the JB Forum to be about comics and that the thread-opener isn't? Weird.

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It really depends.But I can't come up with a artist of the top of my head where I preferred his old art and can't stand his new one. My taste changed. I bought books from artist that I wouldn't buy today. But I don't look back and think: That has been great.
I prefer Erik Larsens work nowadays over his old stuff. The old stuff tended to be over-rendered and stiff at times. His newer work has more energy. I didn't mind back in the day, but comparing it now, I see the flaws.
For JB I am not a fan of his Star Trek stuff, but I think what he did on Angel looks great. And both, I guess, has been produced around the same time. So what does this say? I can only guess I prefer JB doing castles over starships, wrinkles over plain shirts. I always liked the way he did textures, so the pencil-only historic setting suits my tastes more than the futuristic, clean one.
Like I said: It depends, and Star Trek and Angel is a very good example for this.

Why so many fans come up with the phrase "your old stuff was better" I can only guess, and while I think Eriks explanation hold a point at music, in comicart, especially in superheros, nostalgia might have a bigger influence then the rawness of the drawings.

For artist like JB and Erik Larsen, a whole new form of "your old art was better"  is added in the mix: Many people just want them back on X-Men, FF, Superman or, in Eriks case, on Spider-Man. Which is kinda selfish.
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"If you are inclined to read what Erik Larsen has to say and wish to interact with him via a message board, my best suggestion would be to go to his site. I don't think the expectation should be that the JBF is one-stop-shopping."

Oh, absolutely. And where should I go to hear what Matt Reed has to say?

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Does Matt Reed have his own website, in the Forum of which he posts comments at odds with what he posts here?

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the playing field before you start dictating the rules of the game.

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Frank Carchia
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 10  

Sorry if it's OT, but I don't think I own one issue of an EL comic.  His work does not speak to me at all. 
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Arc Carlton
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Posted: 12 July 2009 at 3:06pm | IP Logged | 11  

I became a Byrne victim with Alpha Flight #1

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I became a Byrne victim with Superman 12 (the Lori Lemaris story).

 

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Steven Myers
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I think there's a tendency in artists to "loosen up" as they get experienced.  Extreme examples would be Picasso or Bill Sienkievitz.  Once they got established, they felt free to experiment.  I once taught an aestheitcs lesson using Frederick Remington's earlier work and his later.  His later work is more expressive, with more extremes in color and more emotional.  His earlier work is very technical, though a little stiff.  The students (8th graders) almosy all preferred the earlier work.

In comics, artists used to be encouraged to stay on model, and this meant very little expression.  Now, it seems making your own version of a character is encouraged.  It seems to me, when you started out trying to be "on model" there was more room to grow than there would be now.

Pardon my ramblings...

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