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Quitely's Wonder Woman #27 cover...

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In my very best Madeline Kahn doing Marlene Dietrich voice… "How ordinawy."

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Martin Redmond
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I thought Damien was pretty cool, his eagerness to impress Batman (while not listening to a single word Batman ever said >:D) was pretty childlike to me. I don't know what happened to him past the first story arch, though.
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It's like Quitely trying to prove that he doesn't want to draw Wonder Woman...

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Thanos Kollias
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First Quitely and Morrison are being too 'realistic' and now the dialogue isn't 'realistic' enough?
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If your definition of realism includes a twin choking his twin sister on purpose inside the womb, then the above statement stands. I think the point made is that they aren't too great around superheroes, not that they are "realistic".
And what's the point of having a ten year old behaving like a 18 year old instead of having a 18 year old? Or having him behave as a 10 year old? 10 year olds are not capable of being immature, they are immature! Acting mature is a surprise and a rare exception!
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Quitely's Wonder Woman #27 cover...

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ICK!
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10 year olds are not capable of being immature, they are immature!

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In our culture.  Throughout human history, and in many cultures still today, 10 year olds are 3 years from getting married.  A hundred and fifty years ago, they were working in coal mines.  Why would you expect a 10 year old raised by adult assassins in a lair in Southeast Asia to act anything like an American or European 10 year-old raised in a two parent home and allowed to experience childhood with other children?

And anyway...its a comic book.  Yes, he doesn't act like a real ten year old.  And Dick doesn't act like a real 25 year-old.  And Bruce doesn't act like a real 35 year-old.  They're sitting in a flying car and you're complaining that his dialogue is unrealistically mature.


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How To Draw A Wonder Woman Cover


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Wallace Sellars
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I'd like to see Frank Quitely draw a comic with warriors and ogres and mages
and goblins.
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Steve De Young: ...and his Batman, as people have pointed out, isn't majestic.  But maybe its the nature of the characters, but...I don't mind his Spidey.



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Please tell me you're joking....



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Paulo Pereira
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That looks...weird.
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Jason Schulman
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The Spider-Man drawing is amusing and belongs in some fan's collection of pro sketches, not on a cover.

The Wonder Woman cover is just...meh. It just sits there.

I don't blame Quitely as much as I wish the industry -- and the core comics audience -- was different.
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Chad Carter
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Except Robin HAD trained for years.  To be an acrobat.  So he had the physical agility and strength and skill that Batman had to learn.  All Robin needed was the detective skills but Batman always led the way there.

Even in comic books, having Robin BE Batman at 12 or whatever strains believability. When I was 12, I knew Robin was not as formidable in ANY way as Batman.

And considering everything else, why would these storytellers put a 10 year old kid into the current Batman mix? What's the point? Who does "Robin" appeal to, now? Why does this "Batman" need a Robin? Why not find a character to team him with, if need be...a new Catwoman dynamic or something. Straighten out the Creeper and let him be "Robin."

It's flat-out creepy to have 10 and 12 year old kids as superheroes nowadays. Especially considering who is reading the superheroes, and the very prevalent moron mentality that questions Batman's sexuality and motives with his "ward." Adults aren't reading Batman and "Robin" to get in touch with being a kid again. Why would a badass 10 year old give these people such a rod? What is "Robin" to them?

You want to have kids as superheroes, then have kids as superheroes. Don't make them killers and total badasses. If you MUST have them, keep them in context. I'm not crazy about Cassie Sandmark, in JB's WONDER WOMAN, but I understand her purpose. If you gotta have Robin in order to have Batman, then why isn't Robin the counterbalance to Batman's more severe outlook? Shouldn't the kid be a kid? Shouldn't he remind everyone what it's like to be a kid?

I think about stuff like TREASURE ISLAND or KAMANDI, where the kid is a kid with a kid's vulnerability, but he gets by on luck and hardheaded spunk and the part of him that will become, in some far-off future, a great man and hero. Johnny Storm is a hothead, and a little prone to foot-in-mouth, but he's a teenager and we were ALL like Johnny Storm, in one way or another.

But the point of those characters is their YOUTH, their youthful naivety or ignorance or raw emotion. I can understand Robin as a kid learning how to be a man and a hero. Anything else and he's not a kid but he's a child's age, and the relationship grows into something alien and weird. Shocker, just like Morrison himself.

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