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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | 1
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THIS Robin is 10 years old. I'm not a big Quitely fan,
but that DOES look like a 10 year old boy with a bad
attitude which is exactly what this Robin is.
Really? How does a 10 year old not get his ass kicked by
adults?
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Ray Brady Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | 2
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"How does a 10 year old not get his ass kicked by adults?"
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Perhaps by being a comic book character?
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Mike Farley Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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QUOTE:
"How does a 10 year old not get his ass kicked by adults?"
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It also helps to have been raised by the League of Assassins.
And Dick Grayson was a pre-pubescent 12 when he became Robin and he was just a circus acrobat. Damien has been trained since infancy by a group of killers for hire. Sure it wouldn't work in the really real world, but it works fine in the comic book world.
(I can't believe I'm defending Damien *fucking* Wayne!)
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 9:35pm | IP Logged | 4
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Perhaps by being a comic book character?
Even in comics there aren't too many 10 year old super
heroes. Young teen usually seems to be the lower limit.
Though my favorite manga did have a story arc where the top
2 heroes were 9 year olds and "killed" the main bad guy
(though one died simply because she got overpowered because
of her size).
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Rob Drew Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | 5
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Quitely's characters all look like Donald Trump, if he were bored, constipated, gay, made of play dough, and wearing a super-hero costume. It's pretty obvious that this new Batman stuff underscores everything that is currently wrong with comics today, from the art, to the writing to the over-colouring, to the editorial direction, and if you disagree, then perhaps you're what's wrong with comics today. It boggles my mind that there are still fanboys out there willing to participate in the outright vandalisim of characters and titles that have existed for so long. It's like somebody decided The Beatles greatest hits would be better if they were re-recorded as rap songs and filled with profanity to spice it up. When did everyone involved with the comics industry (from the creators to the fans) decide to transfer their self-loathing to the characters and concepts? Stop supporting this crap and perhaps things will begin to revert to the way it ought to be, or at least the mainstream will finally die a merciful death.
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Patrick Drury Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | 6
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I love Quitely's art, quirks and all. I understand that some people don't like
him on super hero stuff, he certainly doesn't fit the classic mold. I think
there's definitely room for him in the genre, though.
And while he may not use a lot of speed lines and other traditional devices I
really think he does some interesting and cool things to show movement -
especially in WE3 and the latest issue of Batman and Robin. If I had a
scanner I'd show some examples.
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Jason Schulman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 July 2009 at 10:51pm | IP Logged | 7
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Patrick,
Quitely was an appropriate artist for We3 -- which, I agree, was great -- but he's totally the wrong artist for a Batman comic.
I wish there was more of a market in the U.S. for the "straight-ahead" science fiction comics for which Quitely would be perfect.
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2009 at 1:22am | IP Logged | 8
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I agree with much that has been written here. However, I also disagree with much that has been written. The latest one, and for me the bit that shows there may be a problem with how some people are relating to this is - from Keith Thomas - How does a 10 year old not get his ass kicked by adults?
Keith - how old do you think the original Robin was when he first appeared?
There has been some truly awful art through this thread. To be honest, I don't think the picture of Batman and Robin jumping out of the Batmobile is part of that. There has been some truly awful art throughout comics hoistory. There has been some truly incomprehensible stories published throughout comics history (When viewed from an adult perspective - I present Spider-Man 1 for that - he actually manages to web onto a returning spacecraft. Can we please just stop and think that one through for a second? Exactly, to a 10 year old, this plot is not a problem).
On the whole, I would say most of these posts have been anti-Quitely and I have posted some of those - his Jean that looks like an off model Kitty being one, BUT, let's not just bash every piece of art he's drawn just because it was him. The Batman and Robin picture does not, in my opinion, rate as porely as the X-Men cover previously mentioned.
When we were younger there was some truly amazing art in comics but there was also some truly rubbish art as well, but we didn't really have a problem because we were 10. We forget this at times. Ditto for story.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2009 at 7:44am | IP Logged | 9
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Mike Farley wrote:
THIS Robin is 10 years old. I'm not a big Quitely fan, but that DOES
look like a 10 year old boy with a bad attitude which is exactly what
this Robin is. |
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Doesn't look 10 to me.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 08 July 2009 at 7:50am | IP Logged | 10
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I agree with much that has been written here. However, I also disagree with much that has been written. The latest one, and for me the bit that shows there may be a problem with how some people are relating to this is - from Keith Thomas - How does a 10 year old not get his ass kicked by adults?++ The question must be asked, in context. Morrison and Quitely are not producing the kind of fantasy material that saw Robin fighting side by side with Batman when I was a kid. They want to address "issues" -- O Woe! Poor Dick! He is so burdened to be Batman! -- and the moment you shoehorn in that kind of stuff, a whole lot of baggage comes along with it. How does a 10 year old really survive in these kinds of situations is one of the bigger bags.
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Keith Thomas Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2009 at 8:12am | IP Logged | 11
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Keith - how old do you think the original Robin was when
he first appeared?
Don't know but as JB said this isn't the Batman and Robin
who guest starred on Scooby Doo. This is modern, edgy, dark
modern comics where Robin's die isn't it?
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 July 2009 at 8:14am | IP Logged | 12
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I never have been much of a Robin fan, if at all. I had an older brother, and whenever we played out the roles, I always got stuck with Robin -- and that's what it felt like, the losing end of the deal. And when I got older, I still didn't care for the character, or for any of the plethora of young sidekicks. To me, as a kid, they all struck a wrong chord because I wanted to identify with the adult hero and not ever with the kid, lad, boy, whatever, not ever with the replicative juvenile.
That said, it did not occur to me, especially as a very young reader, to question the given of Robin's prowess. When I was 6-8 years old, I accepted fully how Robin's origin related to what he could do as a support to Batman. It was, after all, in comicbook form, which forgives so much more than a real-life portrayal could pull off. The old Batman & Robin stories still work, in my opinion, even if by the time I was 10 years old myself I completely preferred Batman solo.
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