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John Byrne
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…Romita Jr...
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Remind me to break his fingers some day.
Nobody should be that good!!!!!
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John Byrne
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I think here of JB's famous Iron Man plot to JRJR - they fight, go wild (Or something to that effect).•• Even less than that! I set up all the important story points in the first pages of my plot, then when it came time for the gig brawl that was the centerpiece of the issue I filled the plot page with one word: FIGHT! When I mentioned this online, Peter David snorted cybernetically and said "that's not writing, that's typing!" Which nicely sums up the problem -- someone without an artistic bone in his body would presume to tell a genius like JRjr what to draw! And I'm the one who's supposed to have the big ego!
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Lars Johansson
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How are those great writers? Can they draw like me, best artist at the local school (but a complete idiot when compared to the artists on this board) or cant' they draw at all?
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John Byrne
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Some writers have artistic skills. Archie Goodwin, for instance, was a talented cartoonist -- and it showed in his work. I didn't get any art direction from Archie that had me asking "How the heck am I supposed to draw this??" For one thing, he would often do layouts when working out his plots. So he would see for himself whether it was possible to translate what was in his head onto the page.Unfortunately -- and increasingly, it seems -- Archie was in the minority, and most writers seem completely unable to "think in pictures". Still pictures, anyway.
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Lars Johansson
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Thanks JB. I heard on the Stan Lee interview DVD that Stan Lee started as a cartoonist of some sort as well.
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Wallace Sellars
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Fun looking stuff from Sal Buscema there...
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Bruce Buchanan
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Yes it is! I love Sal Buscema's work, especially on Spider-Man.
I listened to a recent interview with Sal over on the Spider-Man Crawl Space site and he is in 100% agreement with JB on "full script vs. Marvel method." He strongly believes that the Marvel method, where the artist draws from a basic, loose plot rather than a detailed, panel-by-panel script, is a better approach - and I agree.
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Flavio Sapha
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In my opinion, noone draws punches harder than Sal Buscema...
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Seconded.
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Anthony Frail
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I love how this thread has turned to showing how to draw punches and action in a dynamic way. It's been a treat!
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Steve De Young
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He strongly believes that the Marvel method, where the artist draws
from a basic, loose plot rather than a detailed, panel-by-panel script,
is a better approach - and I agree.
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Honest question: Can these guys these days do it? Could you tell one of the new hot artists to draw a fight scene for three pages, and have him turn anything in that's any good? And how much lag time would this add to their already slow drawing rate. I mean, they can't do 22 pages a month when they're being told, in minute detail, exactly what to draw...think if they had to make decisions!
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John Byrne
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…they can't do 22 pages a month when they're being told, in minute detail, exactly what to draw..•• What if we substitute "because" for "when"? I am not saying this is the only reason these youngsters can't seem to get the job done, but it has to be a contributing factor. I am always slowed down by full scripts -- all these damn writers who work as if they have never even seen a comicbook, let alone understand the language.
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Lars Johansson
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What I would like to do would be to let them know what I wanted to convey to the reader.
In my opinion I respectfully disagree. Why not draw a simple sketch and see if it in fact is easily conveyed or not?
I am always slowed down by full scripts -- all these damn writers who work as if they have never even seen a comicbook, let alone understand the language.
I'm curious, are they the same?
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