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matthew j ridley
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Ever since reading Bendis and Maleev's Daredevil, I've thought that people like Maleev and Steve Epting and Michael Lark took their cue from David Mazzucchelli's work on Daredevil back in the eighties, which combined a certain heightened sense of realism, some more expressionistic linework, and a dynamism that was all comic book. Unfortunately they completely missed the point of his work if this is the case, ending up with static, "realistic" work that has none of the strengths, the dynamism, the storytelling, of Mazzucchelli's work. This is how you draw action without using motion lines:
There's a sense of weight and motion there.

Versus this:

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Keith Thomas
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That's nice to see Dardevil and that other guy have a
breakdance competition to settle their differences instead
of fighting but why are there 2 guns in the air?
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Jason Mark Hickok
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It is probably part of their breakdance routine.  Throw them in the air, spin around, catch the guns mid-spin, and keep going.  Very powerful if pulled off correctly.

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I've had slap-fights more exciting than that second panel.
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What you're almost certainly seeing in that second image is two (or possibly one, depending) people posing while the artist takes pictures. That's why Daredevil isn't leaping -- he's in contact with the ground with his left hand and foot, and his right foot is most likely being supported. The "thug" isn't being hit, he's just posing.

This is Alex Ross Syndrome gone made -- and the principle reason I have mostly eschewed photo reference for human actions.

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Jim Campbell
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 John Mietus wrote:
Hell of an illustrator. As a narrative storyteller? Not
my cuppa.


Here's the thing, though ... Quitely can draw dynamic action. He
drew some stunning action sequences in his brief tenure at 2000AD
(more accurately, with the Judge Dredd Megazine, on Shimura and
Missionary Man), far more dynamic than -- say -- Glenn Fabry who is the
quintessential example of an illustrator rather than a storyteller. It's just
that, as JB and others have noted, he's a poor fit for superheroics.

Personally, I'd like to see him draw some properly mental European
SF. His early Megazine stuff had a vibe that was somewhere between
Winsor McCay and Moebius. Is that a description of an artist I want to see
more from? Hell, yes. Is that a description of an artist I want to see draw
the X-Men? Maybe not so much.

Cheers

Jim
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Posted: 30 June 2009 at 4:25pm | IP Logged | 7  

I guess I just won't ever make it as a true comics professional!

Whenever I have been offered something for which I did not think I was a
good "fit", I have turned it down!

Silly me!
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Chad Carter
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Jim Aparo creates dynamism and excitement, whereas someone nowdays would turn this into a moment of ultra-violence. There's desperation here, and the panels themselves are vibrating with Mera's outburst, but you don't expect these characters to die from this exchange. Today's "realism" would leave little doubt Mera has maimed these men.

Another great artist, Gene Colan, demonstrates panel-to-panel motion, the kind of "cinamatic" stuff most of those modern artists also seem to eschew...better to give a "respresentative" panel of action rather than show action leading to the conclusion of the action with yet another and another, on and on, I guess? But here, look at the Werewolf poised to strike, the strike, and the resultant momentum...and the fight is STILL not over, as the Werewolf kills the man (albeit the guy asked for it)

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Wallace Sellars
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Nice Jim Aparo page...
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Arc Carlton
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Is that Aparo page from Aquaman? It looks really good anyway.
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That colan page does such a nice job of putting the narration in interesting
parts of the panel, really helps show the action as well as describe it.
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Of all the people to swipe...

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