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Jason Mark Hickok
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Well he certainly did a lot of damage in 40+ issues.
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Arc Carlton
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I cannot imagine having an great artist working on a title and not letting them be the the master of visual design/effect/camera angle, etc.
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Donald, I know what you mean. If I'm writing a story maybe I would suggest a few things but then I'd leave everything else in the hands of the artist.
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Keith Thomas
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Reeves face "was" Superman, a definite plus. His
height was another huge advantage. No one is of the
heroic "X" heads high proportions of the greek heroic
ideal, but his height did help tremendously. Him bulking
up for the movie helped too, and yet he wasn't muscle-
bound, which is a Superman I actually prefer. Not a Flash
physique, but not the huge bruiser that the Goldenage
Superman more closely resembled.
Here's an observation of mine for everyone. And this goes
for any athelete, actor,or comic character. A thick neck.
Besides Reeves look at Cary Grant he was kinda thin but
had a thick neck that made him look so much bigger than
other guys. I remember when I was in HS even though they
were usually shorter wrestlers looked "bigger" than other
guys because they had thick necks. So you want a good
superhero actor or to draw a good one get one with a
thick neck.
Look at Reeves neck and the way the costume accentuates
it
Now compare I don't care how much body padding he had
look at the neck on this guy
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Wallace Sellars
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Christopher Reeve looks like Superman... That other guy... Ummm...
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Arc Carlton
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Funny thing how importat a neck can be...
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Trevor Smith
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Just...wow, what a startling comparison. Getting back to
the "Hallowe'en Costume" thing...Reeve IS Superman, Routh
is a kid in a bad Superman costume.
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Paulo Pereira
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I get a creepy feeling looking at Routh's "Superman."
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Rick Whiting
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It really bugged me that one of Morrison's justification for putting the X-Men in those boring looking leather costumes, was because the leather would provide the X-Men a degree of protection. I guess Morrison didn't really read all of the issues of X-Men that came after JB stopped drawing the book, like he claimed, in order to prepare and familiarize himself with the then status quo of the X-Men. If he did read all those issues of X-Men he would know that Forge had designed new special costumes for the X-Men that were a kind of a flexible body armor.
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Vinny Valenti
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Interesting observation about the neck, one I could have sworn JB made himself several months back. Those comparison shots also reveal why Reeve succeeds where Routh fails. Take a look at the top pic. That guy looks like he *believes* he's Superman. The guy on the bottom doesn't.
Reeve's open-neck costume (as with almost all Superman costumes I've ever seen in the comics) also helps. Routh's is unfortunate, as it just accentuates his pencil neck. That pic reminds me of a weiner dog wearing a sweater.
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John Byrne
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From all the sweaters my mother knitted over the years, I learned that the collar on Superman's shirt is "boat cut". It would be open as far as the out tips of his collar bones, and his cape would actually be tucked into it.Wrap it close around his neck, as with the Routh version, and you end up with pencil neck -- as well as something that doesn't look like Superman's costume. Even with their dollar ninety-eight budget, that was something THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN almost got right. . .
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Michael Huber
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Anyone else think the last capes way too dark? (Routh)
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Chad Carter
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I still don't really accept that writers are inherently "non-visual" compared to artists. I do get that panel construction is part of the artist's job, but I don't think it precludes a writer from knowing what "Dr. Doom standing triumphantly upon the burning rubble, Reed's limp glove protruding from it" looks like, or "Superman grapples with Grundy in front of a speeding subway train."
How is that not visual? Is the artist going to come up with something better? What would be better? A montage of the terrified faces of Superman's closest friends while he battles Grundy?
If writers don't belong in comics, then why are they there?
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