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Jason Mark Hickok Byrne Robotics Member
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The DC character I always think that Ross misses on is the Flash. Don't exactly know what it is but it always look off to me.
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Robert Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 2
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Should Batman's costume reflect light?
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Lance Hill Byrne Robotics Member
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The DC character I always think that Ross misses on is the Flash. Don't exactly know what it is but it always look off to me. |
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Because he paints his costume as though it were a real life fabric. Whilst this can make characters like Superman and Batman look off, the effect is tenfold with Flash and his sleek skin-tight aerodynamic costume made out of (explicitly, within the stories) a material that doesn't exist in real life.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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Again, it goes to these artists not thinking about what the costumes would "really" be made of. Ross paints the Flash literally wearing Spandex, because that's what the model he's hired to pose for him is wearing.When I was ten, I talked my mother into making a Batman costume for me, for Halloween, and the frustrations kicked in almost immediately. There were no kinds of cloth known to Man that did what Batman's costume did. At one point, my mother even asked if it might be some kind of paint he was "wearing". And "realistically", that was the only thing that could have done what his costume did. It was, perhaps, a signal moment for me. It was my first practical encounter with the concept of artistic license, for one thing. And for another, it placed forever in my mind the idea that these costumes and uniforms are "not of this earth" -- not something that, even today, we could precisely duplicate.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | 5
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I am in no way defending the art of Quitely...I just wanted to say, that as bad as the cover posted (Riot at Xavier's) was, it did at least depict the story that was occuring within the book. I hate those stupid generic pinup covers, at least this had something to do with what was happening, even if he chose the single most boring scene to depict.
It's not just about the detail intense style involved... I will reference John Cassaday's work on Planetary...he has a very detailed style...but her it works...IMHO for a couple of reason's.
1. This comic is better suited to the detailed style. I enjoy the experimental storytelling that leaves our Classic Heroes alone.
2. Cassady has a better knack for picking that "moment" of action to freeze. just basically better story telling.
Don
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John Byrne
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 6
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…as bad as the cover posted (Riot at Xavier's) was, it did at least depict the story that was occuring within the book…•• Did it, really? A while back I did a JLA CLASSIFIED arc with Roger Stern. The first issue featured Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, the Flash, Green Lantern, J'Onn J'Onzz and (if memory serves) the Atom. If I had done a first issue cover that was those characters standing in a circle, looking in, against a blank background, could that image truly be said to "depict the story"? From where I sit, an image like that can no more be said to "depict the story" than could those little clusters of heads that used to be in the corner symbol of issues of THE AVENGERS. This isn't storytelling -- this is roll call!
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 7
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Alex Ross draws exactly what he sees: Models wearing a costume. They're just guys or gals wearing something colorful.
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Chris Geary Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:55pm | IP Logged | 8
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Yet why did Christopher Reeve look good in the Superman films? We could even see the stiching. In recent years I've come to think of him as being drawn by Alex Toth. Only the essential lines are there, but it's all that's needed. No bulging biceps and rippling six-packs in sight. Brandon Routh even had a muscle suit under his costume and he looked wimpy compared to Reeve. Proof that less is more.
Getting back to the Quietly-Morrison debate, in mid 2001 I was sent a script from an issue of X-men to draw a few sample pages from. The issue itself wasn't due out for a couple of weeks or so, and it was one of the first few on their run.
Although the script itself was quite detailed, I didn't find it easy to read. Morrison was directing each shot, and a lot of the times the choices didn't make sense. Other shots would have been more dramatic, or easier for the reader to understand. He also asked for a lot of subtle expressions and body language that I didn't think would work for a still picture on such a small scale.
One picture that I do remember was a shot with Cyclops and Wolverine in the jet. Professor Xavier was mind-linked with Scott so the panel was described as seen from Prof X's point of view through Scott's eyes, looking out onto the night sky from the cockpit. Both Scott and Logan reflected in the windscreen, with clouds and stars visible as well. I thought that was a good idea for a shot, and did the best I could to acheive it. (Pretty well I thought) When I saw the printed version that Quietly had drawn is was shot from the outside of the jet, looking in. A boring and quite frankly easier option.
I wasn't a fan of Quietly's to begin with (his line has no variation and everyone looks like they're made from jelly moulds) but that just made me think that he was an uncaring hack.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 9
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Did it, really?
IIRC, it depicted a faculty meeting..(These took place within Xavier's or Frost's "mindspace" that they could fashion any way they saw fit. This mindspace is plastered with current events under discussion at the time.
As I said, the worst possible moment to depict as the cover, but at least it was part of the story inside.
Don
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | 10
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Assuming Nightcrawler appears within the pages of this comic, does that mean it depicts part of the story?
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Kevin Brown Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | 11
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That's one hell of a fart by Nightcrawler....
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 29 June 2009 at 1:09pm | IP Logged | 12
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Joe, Hopefully my last post clarified my thoughts for you.
Don
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