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Benny Gelillo
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I lay the blame at the feet of management.
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Wallace Sellars
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JB sometimes comments that certain people "work hard to miss the point." It's a phrase I'm going to adopt.
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Keith Thomas
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I never understood why they didn't use fill ins to let
unknowns work on a book they'd never get to otherwise,
you'd think they would pour their heart and soul into it
to make a good impression, instead it was always someone
who made you wonder how they got a job drawing comics to
begin with.
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Andy Mokler
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JB sometimes comments that certain people "work hard to miss the point." It's a phrase I'm going to adopt.
To what particular are you referring?
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Ted Pugliese
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Skip the fill-in?!?
No, I have to have them all, that is why I would rather wait, because then my collection won't be compete if I don't buy the fill-in, and since I am already this crazy, the industry has created the growing roses mentality to placate me and my unhealthy need to buy everything. They have convinced me it's ok to wait because they know I need to have every issue but I don't want the fill-in. Luckily, they have started to produce variant covers to make up for the loss. Knowing I have to have a complete collection, they publish multiple covers so I can/must buy them all. This way I do not have to deal with fill-ins and the company sells me multiple copies of the same book I already bought and read. Everyone is happy. Then they get me to buy them again in TPB and HC because I have to have them all, because they help complete me, since I am so lonely. Why am I so lonely? Why? At least I have my comics. All of them. My collection is complete back to before I was born. Which was the last time I had...
Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha...
(see the problem)
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Stephen Churay
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I actually like fill in issues. Sometimes those issues are real gems. That and I love the fact that the story starts on page one and ends on page 22. A whole story in a single issue, what a novel concept! As far as artists doing a by-monthly series; I feel the majority of the comic buying public believes that all books are monthly. They don't pay attention to the fact that a book is solicited as bi-monthly. If an artist can't handle a monthly book, stick to covers and mini-series. If a writer can't handle a monthly book, start handling mini-series only.
If life gets in the way, the editor should be notified immediately, and a fill-in issue should be ready to be put in place. It's a ridiculous idea that editors don't have fill-in issues ready for emergency situations.
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Keith Thomas
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It's a ridiculous idea that editors don't have fill-in
issues ready for emergency situations.
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Maybe they did and ran out, sounds like they needed a
lot of them.
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Jesse Garcia
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Not that this is an excuse, but I honestly don't believe that the majority of the buying public (what little there is of it anymore) is even aware of how late some books are, they're just happy to get them once they're out, and those select few that might care, have all but given up the hope of most any book on a regular schedule anymore.
I pretty much fall into the latter category most of the time, though it is INFURIATING at times.
Edited by Jesse Garcia on 05 June 2009 at 8:29pm
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Brad Krawchuk
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I was terrified for the better part of year that I'd somehow missed the past few issues of Mouse Guard... until I talked to the owner of my LCS and we cleared up that it was just late.
Likewise, I have this dread feeling I'm missing the second Tellos Collosal HC that I ordered way back after I bought the first one.
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Adam Hutchinson
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Brad I'm pretty sure Tellos Colossal Vol 2 hasn't come out yet. I know Todd planned on releasing it but I don't think they've released it yet.
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Stephen Robinson
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As comics became more serialized and creator-centric, fans became more aware of fill-ins, which is unfortunate. I know during the '60s that story arcs were rarely if ever interrupted but those were 2 - 3 issues tops. Outside of that, it was impossible to know what was a fill-in or an inventory story and what wasn't. And I don't think comics suffered for this. A lot of the "breather" issues, when Batman would recall a previous adventure (the reprint of "House That Haunted Batman," for example) never stood out to me as a "fill-in" or a "cheat" (at least not when I happened upon the issue in the 50 cent box as a kid. It was a fun story.
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John Byrne
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One of the things writers of the Past understood, that a lot of the current crop seem not to, is that stories end. Run two or three issues if you really think the tale you're telling is worth it, but when you get to the end, get to the end. If nothing else, that makes it easier to slot in a fill-in without breaking the "flow".I never worried much about the need for fill-in issues, but I still tried to have my stories end in the last panel of the last page of the issue. Made it easier to "jump on" next issue (altho I also like to think that was never a concern with my stories), and made it easier to slot in a fill-in.
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