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Wallace Sellars
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JB is easily my favorite comic book writer/artist, and I respect the hard work and dedication Erik Larsen has shown in keeping SAVAGE DRAGON going over the years. Have Mssrs. Byrne and Larsen worked on anything "together" other than SPIDER-WOMAN #10 (Vol. 3)?
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Wallace Sellars
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Thanks, Jamie. I'm disappointed to learn that Ms. Fradon has no desire to return to comics.
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Darren Taylor
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This thread is like watching a Soap Opera about Diva's....hang on while I get some pop-corn!
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Bruce Buchanan
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At the risk of sounding like a brown-noser....
I've never viewed JB's return to Marvel in the late 1980s as a "step down" or a sign that his "star had fallen." I didn't think so at the time, nor do I think so now.
My take is and was, "John Byrne has worked on X-Men, Fantastic Four, Captain America, etc.. Now, he wants to try something new - Avengers West Coast, She-Hulk and Namor - rather than revisiting what he's done before." Instead of being disappointed by that, I was excited by the possibilities of seeing something new and different from my favorite artist.
Heck, JB was in a no-win situation. If he had come back and done the X-Men in 1989, for example, critics would've said, "He's just trying to relive his past glories." But when he tries something new, they say, "He's now a B-lister."
Edited by Bruce Buchanan on 16 June 2009 at 8:30am
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John Byrne
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In the end, there is only one thing that has governed my choice of projects: fun.My STAR TREK work at IDW is among the lowest sales I have ever seen, and I am making about a nickel an issue -- but OH MAN am I ever having FUN!
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Lee Painter
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I'm sure you didn't Bruce because you were aware of the reality of the situation. JB wanted to try different titles.
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Stephen Churay
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Lee Wrote:There were plenty of opportunist who saw a chance to trash JB by
conviently ignoring the reality of the situation. When you're a big
name in the industry you always get your fair share of detractors. I
worked with a guy at a shop who hated JB. His hatred seemed to be based
on nothing more than spite for some one who had been successful in
comics and had an opinion or two.
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I too have a guy running one of the comic shops in town, who spouts hatred for JB.
When I asked him why, he says;"I was in a forum, online and somebody posted a quote from John Byrne, and he was berating one of his own fans. What an @$$hole."
After I explained to him how ridiculous it was to assess someones entire personality off of one post, of one thread, taken out of context, I informed him who I thought the real @$$hole was. I now give the other comic book shop in my town, my money.
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Michael Penn
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My STAR TREK work at IDW is among the lowest sales I have ever seen, and I am making about a nickel an issue -- but OH MAN am I ever having FUN!
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I wonder how many people will concern themselves only with everything before the "but" in that sentence....
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Charles Valderrama
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It's a shame there aren't any fun projects JB can work on over at the
big two companies.... they've seemed to have lost all their creative juices!!!
-C!
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Erik Larsen
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John Byrne wrote:
In the end, there is only one thing that has governed my
choice of projects: fun.
My STAR TREK work at IDW is among the lowest sales I have ever seen, and I
am making about a nickel an issue -- but OH MAN am I ever having
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Given that--why the disparaging comments about the sales of Savage
Dragon? Clearly, I'm having a blast doing it. I'm not making the big bucks I
once was but so what? I dipped my toe back in the work-for-hire world--
didn't find it to be all that fun -- took on the role as publisher-- didn't find
that to be all that fun--and now I'm back to working on Savage Dragon
monthly and having a ball.
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John Byrne
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Given that--why the disparaging comments about the sales of Savage
Dragon?
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I made no "disparaging remarks". I asked a question. And YOU were the
one who equated sales with "A-List" books, so it was a perfectly FAIR
question.
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"Given that--why the disparaging comments about the sales of Savage
Dragon? "
Erik, if I may ... it seems to me that you and JB talk a bit past eachother and for some reason you manage to push JB's buttons. I think on a lot of stuff you're not that far apart but words get in the way.
JB came onto She-Hulk, Namor and WCA because they were the books he wanted to do. But from the way you talked about it, you made it seem like a demotion. Like he got books that were beneath him because he was being punished for leaving Marvel, while in reality he was doing what you're doing: working on books and characters he likes.
Even now, the books JB is doing aren't the "A-list" titles, but he doesn't care as long as he gets to do books the way he wants to. Just like you. You do Savage Dragon and as long as it's fun you'll keep doing it, right? Even if you might make more money doing something else. You'll still work on Savage Dragon even if it dips below the level of readership needed for an average Marvel book (I don't know that it does, just a hypothetical) because you love doing it. Right?
I guess you just rub eachother the wrong way, but from over here you don't seem that far apart.
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