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Keith Thomas
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Micheal to Art to the Toddler -- and, like copying a
videotape, something is lost with each pass.
The things about Adams art that made it unique to me were
the elongated limbs (and subsequent contorted positions)
along with LOTS of extra cross hatching and
cartoonish (anime-ish) faces. And these are things that I
saw cloned in way too many late 80's early 90's artists
(i.e. McFarlane, Leifeld). Maybe he wasn't the first
(tell me who was, I'd like to know) to do those things
but he was the first I saw and the last I noticed
before I noticed lots of other artists doing the exact
same things.
Well one thing you can hang your hat on JB, no one even
tries to copy you since no one else is good enough to try
and copy it and make it look half as good.
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Brian Miller
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No problem, Arc.
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John Byrne
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Well one thing you can hang your hat on JB, no one even tries to copy you since no one else is good enough to try and copy it and make it look half as good.•• I've had my share of imitators. But what you say here brings up a point Larry Hama made long ago -- he saw a main reason for the success of Image-style artists as copiability. If you sat down to copy George Perez, or Frank Miller, or me, or (Lord help you!) Neal Adams or Joe Kubert, it was going to be hard work. If you tried to copy Liefeld or Larsen or McFarlane -- not so tough. There's a whole strata of fandom that likes being told they can do it, and it will be easy. Image was pretty much their dream come true.
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Keith Thomas
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Amen, just looking at the post McFarlane Spidey pics
posted, it's a contest to see who can be the best xerox
machine.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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Popular: copability.
Legend: learnability.
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Brad Danson
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Matt Reed wrote:
| Now I'm refusing to see it? Couldn't be that I don't see it? Huh. |
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Yeah, hard to believe. I've pointed out several similarities and you yet you still can't see any. To call the change from Larsen to Bagley "jarring" when almost everyone else here has been calling it, at least, a "house style" is almost contradictory.
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Mike Murray
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Well, keep trying, maybe he'll come around!
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Charles Valderrama
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Bagley copied Larsen's approach to drawing Spider-Man???
That's like saying JB copied from John Romita Sr. isn't it??
-C!
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Jamie Coville
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A lot of artists learn to draw by copying other artists. Usually they do it because they love that artist and want to draw just like them. Sometimes they want work and looking similar to a popular artist is a good way to get it. Or they think it's better for the title if they draw in a similar style to the last artist and gradually move to their own style.
It's possible two different artists drew on similar influences and both draw in a similar style, or simply just look similar for none of those reasons.
I don't know what the situation was with Bagley, but I wouldn't automatically assume anything.
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Paulo Pereira
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| Sorry, Luca. Don't see it. Some of Bagley's early Spidey work, I can see some influence, but his later, ULTIMATE stuff, nope. |
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Me neither. If anything, I find those two images very dissimilar.
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Charles Valderrama
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Didn't Bagley's early Spider-Man run follow Larsen leaving the book??
Maybe the editor wanted Bagley to retain some of Larson's style
at first so that fans wouldn't leave the book? Wouldn't be the first
time that's happened.
-C!
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Jamie Coville
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Yes Bagley pretty much took over right after Larsen left.
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