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Brad Danson
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Oh...I have a feeling Matt will keep it going.
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Brad Danson
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They BOTH have feet that look like the BIG TOE is in the middle of the foot.
The elbows almost come to points with both Bagley and Larsen.
The webbing alone is similar but you guys are writing it off because "everyone started doing it that way after McFarlane." That doesn't matter. It is still a similarity between Larsen and Bagley.
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Donald Pfeffer
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I agree that the art is similar. But why is that a bad thing again? I'm lost.
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Rick Whiting
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IIRC, before there was Plastic Man, there was the Thin Man, who was similar but different from Plastic Man since he could (I think) only turn himself really thin and maybe even stretch. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about this. There was also Flexso the Rubber Man who appeared in the same issue as Thin Man, and according to the Toonapedia website, is more of a precursor to Plastic Man then the Thin Man was.
And JB, thanks for clearing up the whole page rate/royalty thing. I had no idea that it was royalties that Todd was making millions from.
Edited by Rick Whiting on 11 June 2009 at 1:42pm
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Paulo Pereira
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Brad wrote:
| They BOTH have feet that look like the BIG TOE is in the middle of the foot |
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The foot on ASM 350 looks more natural to me than the feet on the Bagley cover.
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| The webbing alone is similar but you guys are writing it off because
"everyone started doing it that way after McFarlane." That doesn't
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Okay, I'll grant that, but does it (and the pointy toes and elbows) make both overall arts styles similar? I don't particularly see it.
Donald wrote:
| I agree that the art is similar. But why is that a bad thing again? I'm lost.
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It's not a bad thing. The issue is over how similar they are. A few think they're pretty similar, others, not so much.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 11 June 2009 at 1:42pm
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Stephen Robinson
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I just can't help but think you're refusing to see it. Tell you what, take the picture above to ten teenagers with limited comic book knowledge and ask them to tell you which artist drew FOUR of those covers and I'll bet good money that they'll tell you the last four were drawn by the same person.
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SER: I don't think you're being entirely fair to Bagley in that after McFarlane's version of Spider-Man exploded in popularity, it pretty much became the "house style" for the character. I think during the late '60s, many artists drew Spider-Man as John Romita had established but it didn't mean they were clones of Romita, just that they were conforming to a house style.
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Brad Danson
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| SER: I don't think you're being entirely fair to Bagley in that after
McFarlane's version of Spider-Man exploded in popularity, it pretty
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Don't lose sight of the original dispute. Matt thought it was a jarring change from Larsen to Bagley. I didn't think they "looked very different."
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Craig Markley
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Looks more like copying "house style" than anything else.
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Brad Danson
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If Erik Larsen was "house style" as opposed to McFarlane, then yes.
So it was a jarring change for you too, Craig?
Edited by Brad Danson on 11 June 2009 at 1:56pm
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If you mean from Larson to Bagley the answer is "no".
When McFarlane came on board it was a big change. I was a Marvel kid and knew nothing of his work with DC. His style seemed more cartoony with exagerated features. Larson & Bagley seemed to have a similar cartoony style but nothing as jarring as when TF came on board. By then, it seemed more like a "house style" for Spider-Man.
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Stephen Robinson
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Well, I think Bagley was a better artist technically than McFarlane -- he might not have had a lot of snap and crackle of the McFarlane Spider-Man run but his figures were far superior anatomically (also, the supporting cast -- including MJ -- looked like the supporting cast again).
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The webbing alone is similar but you guys are writing
it off because "everyone started doing it that way after
McFarlane." That doesn't matter. It is still a similarity
between Larsen and Bagley.
You mean after Mcfarlane copied Art Adams
'85
'88 
and now I remember why I quit ASM
Ugh what do they say about losing a little of the
original every time you clone something, well a clone of
a clone...
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