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Robert Walsh
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OMT, Spawn is an ex assassin (like Devil Slayer) who sold his soul to
the devil (like Johny Blaze) who is an ultra powerful ghost/spirit
(like the Spectre) who has chains that he can control and use as
weapons (like the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider) who has a cloak that he can
pull weapons out of and send people into, which ends up making them
shiver because of the effects it has on their souls (like Devil Slayer
and Cloak). Spawn's costume not only looks like a cross between
Spider-Man (the mask) and Doctor Strange (the cape) it is also alive
like Venom costume (which Todd did not create).
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I think the point has been made that this can be applied to virtually any comic characters. Batman has more than a few similarities to The Shadow and knowingly channels Zorro in some of the stories I've read. Mr. Fantastic has the same powers as Plastic Man. The Invisible Girl has the same basic powers as The Invisible Man. The Hulk is Doctor Jeckyll and Mr. Hyde. Indiana Jones bears a bit of resemblance to Alan Quartermain. And on and on.
But I don't think there are many people here wont' consider all of those characters to be distinct from one another. I enjoyed Next Men quite a lot, even though I recognized a lot of overt similarities between it and X-Men (one has mutants and one has mutates... not exactly a huge stretch), but Next Men isn't X-Men.
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Trevor Giberson
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As a kid of the time, I was a much bigger fan of Erik's Spider-Man than
Todd's. It had all the required visual tics of the era, but read a *whole* lot
more clearly and dynamically.
Erik's a far better comic artist than Todd, IMO. I'd call him the best of the bunch, although I quite liked Silvestri back in the day. Jim Lee was better on covers than sequentials (again, IMO). I've got no use for Liefeld or McFarlane's work at all.
John Byrne's on a different level than all of the early Image guys, but the only liscened property I'm interested in at all right now is Conan. I've kind of burned out on Savage Dragon, too. So I guess I'm not buying anything by either artist these days :(
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Greg Woronchak
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But the best part of comics back then? Two other books were also coming
out like clockwork. Sal Buscema most of the time on Spectacular and Alex
Saviuk on Web. Plenty to choose from because people were doing their
jobs.
And that's the crux of the matter. Books were released on time, at a reasonable price, where even casual readers could afford to take chances on lower profile books. I'd guess Web and Spectacular sold alot more than any A-list book today.
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John Byrne
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Mr. Fantastic has the same powers as Plastic Man.
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No, he doesn't. Reed stretches, Plastic Man turns into stuff. Occasionally in
the early days Reed would shape his fist into a big mallet or the like, but it
was rare, and it really did not suit his powers.
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Robert Walsh
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So, Plastic Man is the more useful of the two. Gotcha. :)
More seriously, I used to watch the Plastic Man cartoon when I was a kid and I've never seen Mr. Fantastic do anything with his stretching powers that Plastic Man didn't. The difference between the two characters is less to do with their powers and more to do with the actual characters. Reed is the genius creator, while Plastic Man is the wise-ass who likes to catch crooks by changing into a chair. Both will stretch out their arms to catch the guy if he's running away or turn themselves into a trip-wire.
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Vinny Valenti
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"Except it's not. When John Byrne left Marvel he was doing the Fantastic
Four and the Incredible Hulk--when he came back to Marvel the top
brass be did NOT kick the people on those books off in order to give John
those books back."
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So? In the 20 years since he left DC to return to Marvel, I never saw any indication that he *asked* to go back to FF or the Hulk, or to have anyone else kicked off their books, for that matter. She-Hulk was a brand new series, and West Coast Avengers was floundering at that point. NOT the same thing as Waid/Garney's Cap, which has some level of critical acclaim, being tossed aside to make way for Liefeld's version.
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Keith Thomas
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You come off pretty arrogant there buddy. What if nobody
had ever read Watchmen because they look "too much like
those old Charlton characters"? or The Fantastic Four
because "It's just Kirby doing Challenger's of the Unknown
again"?
?? just being honest on why I never bought Savage Dragon
and I did buy other Image books back then.
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Matt Reed
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Luca Tavan wrote:
Funnily enough, Erik's Spider-man really set a preset for Bagley's style, who
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How so? Larsen's ASM and Bagley's ASM were stylistically very different, as different as I would say McFarlane's ASM and Larsen's ASM was. I would never go so far as to attribute Bagley's popularity at all with anything Larsen did on the title any more than I would attribute Larsen's popularity with McFarlane. They all worked on Marvel's flagship title.
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Brad Danson
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Funnily enough, Erik's Spider-man really set a preset for Bagley's style,
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How so?
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In the sense that a lot of us said to ourselves, "Huh. This doesn't look very different from Larsen's Spidey."
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Greg Woronchak
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At least Bagley's Spidey looked right anatomically....
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Don Zomberg
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The difference between the two characters...
Work a little harder at missing the point next time, Robert. Plastic Man may have done the stretching gimmick like Reed, but Reed--as JB already noted--rarely did PM's gimmick of turning himnself into objects.
If you can show me a comic where Reed transforms himself into a pig, I'll eat it.
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Martin Redmond
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Honestly people, the 90s sucked because of 3 writers I won't name who dominated everything with their ultra crappy stories and have now been forgoten. There was no reason for Marvel and DC losing it during that period. They could've kept their standards instead of throwing it all away.
The only reason I hated Image was that their work wasn't as good as their Marvel work imo. They mostly used to go the extra mile with weapons and vehicules, then all of a sudden at Image, it was slacker city. The Maxx had some nice pages, but the inking wasn't as lush as Keith's Marvel work either.
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