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Simon Bowland
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You're berating me for making, in your words, a personal attack, yet in the same paragraph call me a "dick"?
I'd never claim that Erik's work resembles Todd's in the current era. I'm talking about his run on Amazing Spider-Man. You can't honestly tell me that it didn't resemble Todd's work to quite a high degree. Maybe it was an editorial edict, I don't know, but it doesn't change the fact.
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Simon Bowland
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Now you've edited your post. Yes, 150 issues on one book is a great achievement. Erik's presumably doing what he's always wanted to do with his career, which is all anyone can ever hope for. Not sure what that has to do with anything I'd written previously, though.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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When Larsen followed McFarlane on Amazing Spider-man, the differences between their work or their visual portrayal of Spider-man were not that great, on the surface. They are further apart now, but that's not the point is it? "Tracing" is unfair, though. Larsen's work was always more solid.
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Lee Painter
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Didn't sales of Amazing actually increase when EL took over for McFarlane? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Luca Tavan
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Exactly, easing into a title often requires the artist to modify their art style to
please fans. Whatever you think of Mcfarlane's art on Spider-man, it was
extremely popular, and a lot of fans were pissed when Erik replaced him.
Funnily enough, Erik's Spider-man really set a preset for Bagley's style, who
eventually went on to become an extremely popular artist in his own right.
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Paulo Pereira
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Simon wrote:
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I would consider that a matter of debate.
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Rick Whiting
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Simon Bowland pretty much said everything I wanted to say, but was too lazy to say.
All I would like to add is that in a CNN interview with Todd Mcfarlan back in the 90's, I recall Todd saying that Marvel was paying him a million to $2 million a year when he left Marvel to form Image. So it is highly unlikely that page rates increased for creators after Image was formed since creators were already being paid high page rates before Image was formed.
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Rick Whiting
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Luca Tavan, whether or not Eric intentionally or unintentionally copied the idea of making Savage Dragon a cop from the original Human Torch is/was not my point. My point is/was that the idea of a superhero being an official police officer is not original.
And for the record, I know there are very few (if any at all) original ideas left. Again, my point is/was that Eric's claim about the Image boys creations being "original" is a little far fetch.
OMT, Spawn is an ex assassin (like Devil Slayer) who sold his soul to the devil (like Johny Blaze) who is an ultra powerful ghost/spirit (like the Spectre) who has chains that he can control and use as weapons (like the Danny Ketch Ghost Rider) who has a cloak that he can pull weapons out of and send people into, which ends up making them shiver because of the effects it has on their souls (like Devil Slayer and Cloak). Spawn's costume not only looks like a cross between Spider-Man (the mask) and Doctor Strange (the cape) it is also alive like Venom costume (which Todd did not create).
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Darren Taylor
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Simon: "You could also argue that Marc was very popular at the time as well"
Maybe's "Aye", Maybe's "No" but I realy liked his art before his art evolved. Your tastes don't define the market, as mine dont either. Too many people leaping at every sentence here.
"Growing Rose's and Meeting Deadlines".
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John Byrne
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I recall Todd saying that Marvel was paying him a million to $2 million a
year when he left Marvel to form Image. So it is highly unlikely that page
rates increased for creators after Image was formed since creators were
already being paid high page rates before Image was formed.
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That would have been royalties, not page rates.
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John Byrne
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Page rates shot through the roof after we left.
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No, they didn't. The Speculators were arriving in bunches, before and during
this time, which drove up sales, which drove up royalties -- but royalties
were not part of the page rates.
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Richard Stevens
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As a kid of the time, I was a much bigger fan of Erik's Spider-Man than
Todd's. It had all the required visual tics of the era, but read a *whole* lot
more clearly and dynamically.
But the best part of comics back then? Two other books were also coming
out like clockwork. Sal Buscema most of the time on Spectacular and Alex
Saviuk on Web. Plenty to choose from because people were doing their
jobs.
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