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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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I would definitely be the guy to fire Frank Miller,Mark Millar,Brian Bolland,Adam Hughes,Jim Lee,Joe Madureira, Brian Hitch,Jeff Smith,and any other constantly late creators without a reasonable and legit explanation.
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
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Angela could not have existed without Spawn. She was not created in a vacuum-- she was an evil twin--an angel to Spawn's devil. Conceptually, she was a Spawn rip-off and she was designed by Todd-- yet this was a Neil Gaiman "creation?" Alan Moore established the concept of there having been Spawns throughout the ages--Neil uses that concept and writes a story about a Spawn in medieval times, which, again, Todd designs and suddenly Neil is the creator of "Medieval Spawn" even though he never called him "Medieval Spawn" and that strikes you as fair? Would you think it was fair for Alan Moore to sue Neil for mining his script to come up with the concept of "Medieval Spawn?"
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SER: I'm a bit surprised by this POV. Why -- by this logic -- did the Image founders leave Marvel? What could they have "created" at Marvel that wasn't an extension of what Lee, Kirby, and Ditko had built?
Venom is listed as being "created by" David Micheline and Todd McFarlane. However, someone else established the concept of the alien costume, and Peter David was the author of the stories that formed the "motivation" for the character. Kyle Rayner is listed as being created by Ron Marz and Darryl Banks, though the concept of multiple Green Lanterns was long since established and one could argue that Rayner was a rip-off of previous Green Lanterns.
I don't necessarily see Angela as being any different from thsi.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member
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If Neil Gaiman didn't "create" Angela, then Todd didn't "create" Venom.
Even though according to him he did.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 June 2009 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | 4
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So--you'd be the guy who fired Frank Miller, Brain Bolland, Mark Millar, Adam Hughes, Jim Lee, Joe Madureira, Brian Hitch, Jeff Smith and a dozen other of the top names in the field?
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Sure, then I'd hire JB, Romita Jr., Mark Bagley and any myriad others who have proven they could put out a monthly book. You know.....professionals who actually give a shit about the fans.
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Arc Carlton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 June 2009 at 1:08pm | IP Logged | 5
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Someone's gotta be accountable for late shipping books. __________________
Editors should be responsible of it.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 June 2009 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 6
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QUOTE:
I would definitely be the guy to fire Frank Miller,Mark Millar,Brian
Bolland,Adam Hughes,Jim Lee,Joe Madureira, Brian Hitch,Jeff Smith,and
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I wouldn't fire any of those guys. I would just change the format of the projects they were working on, or give them different projects to work on. I'd have dependable artists on the monthly titles. Then maybe I'd try to sell the books on the story and characters, not on the people writing and drawing them.
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Brad Wilders Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 June 2009 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 7
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Angela could not have existed without Spawn. She was not created in a vacuum-- she was an evil twin--an angel to Spawn's devil. Conceptually, she was a Spawn rip-off and she was designed by Todd-- yet this was a Neil Gaiman "creation?"
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According to several federal judges, including one who is widely recognized as one of, if not the, smartest judge on the bench, yes.
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How some fans can look at this situation and see Neil as an innocent duped out of his creations is beyond me.
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Maybe because Todd told him he was not operating under work for hire because Image was different than the "other guys"?
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John Byrne
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For me, this thread is turning into the very definition of a pyrrhic victory.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member
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I'm guessing that a well-written contract between Gaiman and McFarlane would have sorted out all of this before their collaboration ever saw print. Co-creator vs. creator status, merchandising, royalties, ownership of characters, etc. should have been established from the get-go, and Gaiman could have decided then and there if he wanted to create new characters for McFarlane or not.
I suppose that elaborately written contracts were anathema to Image back in the early days, but once you start bringing people in on a work-for-hire basis, you need to spell everything out. That's one of those lessons that people tend to learn the hard way.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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So--you'd be the guy who fired Frank Miller, Brain Bolland, Mark Millar,
Adam Hughes, Jim Lee, Joe Madureira, Brian Hitch, Jeff Smith and a dozen
other of the top names in the field?
I'd gladly be your competition. ***
Imagine if you were and you hired all those guys-- you'd be lucky to get six books a year to the market.
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John Byrne
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I'm guessing that a well-written contract between Gaiman and McFarlane
would have sorted out all of this before their collaboration ever saw print.
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Silly Neil! He must have thought he didn't need a pre-nup. After all, the
Toddler was one of the Good Guys.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member
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Do artists* get paid when they turn in their work or do they get paid in advance? How do some guys earn a living with the delays between projects?
*I use artist in prejorative sense -- I guess it could be anyone in the comic book making process, writer, penciller, inker etc.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 09 June 2009 at 2:59pm
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