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Wallace Sellars
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Posted: 16 December 2008 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 1  

I'd like to see JB work with some major Marvel characters again, but not if he isn't going to have the same support that other creators working for the company have.  (Of course I want to see new JBNM stories from him more that anything else.)
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The Brevoort blog is presumptuous, condascending, and borderline disrespectful.

And totally expected, I suppose :(.

This is the thing though... people talk about JB as if he's a saint. I love the guy's work and he's got a right to voice his opinion, but is he not a high-profile comic creator regularly slating Marvel on the net? I'm not saying he's wrong to say those things, but it's not as if it's Mother Teresa that Breevort was responding to. And I say that with full respect to JB.

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Decompressed storytelling and writing for the trade shocked me when I came back to comics after being away for a decade. I was like, what the *** is going on here?! The industry had so changed I didn't know where to begin...

So I began AWAY from Marvel with WALKING DEAD and INVINCIBLE. Those are my two favorite books. Love them to death. Love that Walking Dead is an emotional powerhouse and that Invinvible can have eight to twelve panels a page on every damn page.

For Marvel, I found that the oversized HC's are awesome. That is how I read the entire Bendis/Maleev run on Daredevil. That is how I read Millar and JRJR's Wolverine: ENEMEY OF THE STATE.

But I cannot buy single issues because I am lost. There is no way to know what is happening without first buying all the trades that come before it.

And forget about the X books! There are so many, with so many changes of canon, that it is impossible to get into it. Bought the House of M tpb and tried to get into everything, but I found it to be far too self important and bloated.

The only Marvel book I am currently reading is Daredevil, because it is pretty much kept clear of the other BS going on in the Marvel Universe. I was into Iron Fist, but they dragged the storyline on and on and I got bored, so I dropped it.

By the way, those of you who want Marvel to drop the top writers... dream on. That will never happen. It shouldn't, either. Those guys are good. My problem is they are stretched too thin. Why are Bendis, Millar and Brubaker writing 1/2 the titles? Why is everything else written by Ellis and (always late) Hollywood writers?

Marvel is boxing themselves in with this give it all to the three superstars crap. No, how about putting a star artist on a top book with a lesser known writer? How many guys who write creator owned books at Image or APE are perfectly capable of delivering the goods on a Marvel title?

By the way, I think the return of John Byrne to a Marvel title like FF or Spider-Man or X-Men would be a major event. Make no mistakes about it... That would huge.

Personally, I would love to see John go berzerk with FF if he returned to Marvel.

But more than anything, I want to see him finish NEXT MEN. I had my set custom bound into a gorgeous Hardcover last month and just the other day I learned it will be released as three oversized HC's. Well, good! I'll buy them all.

And I'll hope, always hope for the series to continue.

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…people talk about JB as if he's a saint. I love the guy's work and he's got a
right to voice his opinion, but is he not a high-profile comic creator regularly
slating Marvel on the net?

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Define "regularly". I respond to what I see, hear, read. If I am "regularly
slating (?) Marvel" it is because they are regularly creating reasons to do so.

Which raises another point about Breevort's "response". He has challenged
me to "put up or shut up", to which I off my entire career as evidence I have
been doing precisely that -- I "put up".

So where is Breevort's equivalent response? If he wants to put me in my
place, why doesn't he simply trot out Marvel's record for, say, the last five or
ten years. Show me the mountain of books that meet my "challenges".
Instead of saying "Let's see YOU do it!" -- which I have already been seen to
do -- how about saying "Here's how we ARE doing it!"

Rather than throwing down the gauntlet to me, Breevort has effectively
acknowledged that my points are valid!
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By the way, I think the return of John Byrne to a Marvel title like FF or
Spider-Man or X-Men would be a major event. Make no mistakes about it...
That would huge.

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I wonder. I returned to the X-Men, with HIDDEN YEARS, and Marvel threw it
away. I coined the term "stealth promotion" to describe how the book was
barely mentioned in ads, or on the Bullpen page, and how months into the
run a big chunk of potential readers still thought it was the terminally late
CHILDREN OF THE ATOM or a miniseries!


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When you quoted me JB you missed out the end of my paragraph which did put a different slant on the point I was making:


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I'm not saying he's wrong to say those things, but it's not as if it's Mother Teresa that Breevort was responding to. And I say that with full respect to JB.
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J BYRNE stated: I wonder. I returned to the X-Men, with HIDDEN YEARS, and Marvel threw it
away. I coined the term "stealth promotion" to describe how the book was
barely mentioned in ads, or on the Bullpen page, and how months into the
run a big chunk of potential readers still thought it was the terminally late
CHILDREN OF THE ATOM or a miniseries!

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Well, my statement was assuming they actually promoted it. Put it out there and said, HE'S BACK! Otherwise what would be the point?



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Matt S., I agree that Marvel assigns too much of its work (particularly its core, best-selling titles) to the same three or four guys. DC does the same thing - I like Geoff Johns a lot, but he seemingly writes half of the company's books.

Yes, part of it is that these guys are being stretched too thin. But the bigger problem I see is that we've got the same voices telling all the stories. All writers write with a particular style and the overreliance on a small group of writers has led to certain amount of sameness at both companies, I believe.

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When you quoted me JB you missed out the end of my paragraph which did
put a different slant on the point I was making:

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I'm not saying he's wrong to say those things, but it's not as if it's Mother
Teresa that Breevort was responding to. And I say that with full respect to
JB.

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I left out that part because it does not have any effect on the point I was
addressing -- ie, what constitutes "regular slating (?)" of Marvel.
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I've always wondered about that phrase, "put up or shut up."  Aren't they essentially the same thing?  Isn't putting up, shutting up?  And vice versa?
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I returned to the X-Men, with HIDDEN YEARS, and Marvel threw it
away.

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And that's their loss. I only recently discovered X-Men: Hidden Years, as you did this during the period I was out of comics. But it is simply fantastic, and it was an easy jumping-on point for new readers. I'm not sure why a publisher wouldn't want to promote such a quality product.

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I left out that part because it does not have any effect on the point I was
addressing -- ie, what constitutes "regular slating (?)" of Marvel


It just creates the impression that I was dissing you without it, which I wasn't.

It's all very well a % of posters rallying to your defence and claiming that Breevort is the anti-Christ and what have you, but I think the base reality is that most people, myself included, would really love to see you working on Spider-Man, FF, X-Men et al again. This stuff with "JB said this, TB said that..." is just a side issue to that.

As for "regular slating" of Marvel, then for example that's the first time in ages I've seen you write the word without it being M*****. But again, to quote from my original point:


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I'm not saying he's wrong to say those things
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