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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 04 December 2008 at 7:10am | IP Logged | 1
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I personally don't mind long, multipart stories. Problem is, 99% of those stories just aren't enjoyable for me.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133693
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Posted: 04 December 2008 at 8:01am | IP Logged | 2
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It's amusing (to me) that many of these suggestions involves the removal of
people such as Joe Q, Bendis, Mark Millar etc, and also the end of the
"writing for the trade" regime.
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Nowhere is it suggested (at least by me) that any of the current staff needs
to be removed. How would that even work as a "challenge"?
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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Posted: 04 December 2008 at 8:16am | IP Logged | 3
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Based on Marvel's SEC financial reports, they are a healthy, profitable company. Revenues are evenly split between publishing, movies and merchandising, which is a key indicator of a healthy company - the old adage about not putting all of your eggs in one basket.
Admittedly, we have yet to see how this economic downturn will affect comics. But 1. that's completely out of Marvel's control and 2. is affecting nearly every business.
Given the strong performance of the publishing line, I don't think it's unfair to suggest Joe Quesada is doing a good job - even if those of us here don't like much of Marvel's current product. The guy is running a profitable operation and that's what matters to shareholders, not the quality of the product.
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Scott Daggett Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2008 Posts: 837
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Posted: 04 December 2008 at 8:35am | IP Logged | 4
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I think that the current staff of writers and for the most part, the artists who get their work in on time (the few that there are) are doing a good job at Marvel. I just don't like Joe Quesada because he was too lenient with writers and artists who couldn't produce work in a timely manner. I mean c'mon, look at Daredevil:Target. That book is what, 6 years late! Not to mention how long it took for another late book to be finished, Ultimate Hulk vs Ultimate Wolverine. The practice of turning in stuff behind schedule is what needs to change at Marvel and the elimination of Joe Quesada would help solve that, IMHO.
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 22 April 2004 Posts: 2226
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Posted: 05 December 2008 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | 5
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Bruce, if it's not too much trouble, could you please post the numbers from Marvel's latest SEC financial report?
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4866
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Posted: 05 December 2008 at 10:44pm | IP Logged | 6
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The guy is running a profitable operation and that's what matters to
shareholders, not the quality of the product.
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Very true however that's why it's important that fans unhappy with the
product speak loudly with their wallets so profits dip enough for someone
to take notice. 'Course, the success of Marvel's movies would probably
offset that..!!! *sigh* Has Quesada really been called out about these
issues enough for him to take it seriously??
-C!
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Francesco Vanagolli Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 June 2005 Location: Italy Posts: 3130
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Posted: 06 December 2008 at 1:55am | IP Logged | 7
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Rick Whiting:
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Simon, Quesada did not help bring Marvel out of bankruptcy, Avi Arad did with the movies and merchandise.
And I would hardly call rehashing old plots and/or story ideas from the 80's and 90's as an example of Quesada moving away from creative stagnancy. |
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Exactly.
This is funny: Quesada and his coworkers talked about the previous Marvel (pre-2000) like that was horrible. But if it was so, why to recycle every idea from those years? I'm waiting to read SECRET INVASION in Italy, but a friend of mine told me something about the story. Skrull infiltration? Already seen it in "Power and glory", from CAPTAIN AMERICA by Mark Waid, or in the early FANTASTIC FOUR issues by Tom DeFalco. Genetic bomb? A bell rings, and tells me "Live Kree or die!", an Avengers crossover by Busiek, Waid and, I think, Ostrander. All '90s stuff. And I liked it.
And in the recent years... "Avengers disassemble"? Oh, wow, another "The crossing". "House of M"? "Age of Apocalypse II", I'd say.
Oh, in this moment I'm enjoying some Marvel titles. AMAZING SPIDER-MAN, INCREDIBLE HERCULES, AMAZING SPIDER-GIRL, some miniseries like WORLD WAR HULK, CLANDESTINE or CAPTAIN MARVEL. But certain previews and events (like Dark reign) seem, or are, so depressing, for a reader like me who would simply read his favorite comic books...
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Pj Perez Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 October 2007 Location: United States Posts: 16
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Posted: 08 December 2008 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 8
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I suppose the best way to show dissatisfaction with a comic company's product is NOT TO BUY IT. Kind of like those people who bitch about the TV series "Heroes" getting so "bad" and yet watch it EVERY WEEK to see how "bad" it is.
I miss compact, punchy storytelling, cover art relevant to stories and the like, but I guess if Marvel's product was terrible, I wouldn't buy it at all. Hrm. Could be worse: Could be the multiversal nonsense at DC hence.
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 08 December 2008 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | 9
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I suppose the best way to show dissatisfaction with a comic company's product is NOT TO BUY IT. |
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The only problem, Pj, is that most people here dissatisfied with Marvel are NOT buying their books. They want them to change so that they can buy them again, I guess.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12857
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Posted: 08 December 2008 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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"but I guess if Marvel's product was terrible, I wouldn't buy it at all. Hrm."
Or maybe you just have bad taste.
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Pj Perez Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 December 2008 at 12:30pm | IP Logged | 11
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Joe Zhang wrote:
Or maybe you just have bad taste. |
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Um ... 1) I was speaking hypothetically, continuing on "don't buy stuff you think is bad," and 2) I'm not sure what I did to deserve such a sh*tty reply, but I also think it's somewhat naive to cast EVERY TITLE a company as large as Marvel puts out as "bad." Ignoring the fact that everyone's individual tastes are unique and therefore not privy to being judged as "good" or "bad," I've found some books from the House of Ideas over the last year or so -- Captain America, Kick-Ass, even Fantastic Four -- that are generally regarded as "good," even "very good," titles.
And then there's X-Men ... ;)
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 15 December 2008 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | 12
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Over on Marvel's website, Tom Brevoort responded to JB's challenge to Marvel by saying that JB should (I'm paraphrasing here) "get off of his butt and do work for Marvel or other major comic book company's". He said some other things in his blog in response to JB's challenge. You guys can find his comments at www.marvel.com in Brevoort's blog column.
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