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Paul Kimball Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 1
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"You challenge me to go begging for work? Isn't an editor who has a job to
offer supposed to call the freelancer(s) he thinks would be appropriate to
the
job?
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I mean this with no sarcasm, but isn't it the responsibility of freelancers to
look for work and not wait for editors to call them? I say that having never
been a freelancer.
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 2
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My understanding of the individual post was that it was focused on what
John would like to see Marvel do, not what he wanted to do at Marvel.
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That's how I read it, Fred. I guess we could both be wrong though...
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Rick Whiting Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 10:24am | IP Logged | 3
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Don, but that is exactly what Marvel is currently doing. They hire writers to write their comics who are either currently critically acclaimed,popular,and/or big name celebrity writers from other entertainment fields outside of comics (Hollywood screenwriters,novelist,and play writers). Despite the fact that most of those writers either have no experience in writing comics,can't stick to a deadline,or have no interest in writing superhero comics as ACTUAL superhero comics.
Marvel also tends to put big name popular artists on the books written by these "hot"/celebrity writers. So if a writer isn't currently critically acclaimed,popular,or a celebrity they won't be given a top notch artist to draw they're book.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4849
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 4
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I mean this with no sarcasm, but isn't it the responsibility of freelancers to
look for work and not wait for editors to call them? I say that having never
been a freelancer.
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Not at all. If a freelancer has had a working relationship with his client( in
this case that's Marvel.) then it's really up to them to make the call.
As a freelancer, you really only make calls if you want new clients you've
never dealt with.
-C!
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David Teller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 05 June 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 213
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 5
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Right, this "freelancer" stuff needs another angle.
I own a small consulting company, so we fall under the "freelancer" model.
We have *many* ways of dealing with clients. Most come to us, some we approach. But we approach companies we want to work with or we think would benefit from our help.
We DO NOT work with companies that have annoyed us, screwed us over or ones where we dislike the working practices. (There is one HUGE consulting company we refuse to work with as they force their staff to work 60+ hour weeks and send them off on stress. A lot of my work is based around fixing work life balance etc so you would think this would be a good place to work.)
They pay really well - but I'm not exposing my colleagues or myself to that. The fact is that they pay lip service to what I do - and if I went there, they could use my presence to justify current behaviour ("look at the help we brought in! NOW WORK HARDER!") Do I really think the company wants to bring about the culture change required? (And this is EXACTLY what JB is talking about - a Culture change) No. So, in that case - you can be one voice shouting at the darkness, or you can go work somewhere else and be happy and fulfilled.
I did the same thing when I went solo. (Left Big Nasty Corp to form Small Happy Business) Life's too short to expend effort in areas where you either not wanted/appreciated/or disagree with.
I think it is better to be an exemplar of how you believe your job should be performed rather than toe the disagreeable corporate line.
As I don't project - I have no idea if any of this is applicable to JB's current situation, but I felt it could be some useful info.
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Steve Horn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 636
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 12:25pm | IP Logged | 6
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Maybe Quesada should fire Brevoort.
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Pete York Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | 7
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Insightful post David Teller, I think you have a handle on the 'situation'.
As is usual with threads on this subject, it turns into an eventual back-handed lecture of John for not initiating a rapprochement with Marvel.
I don't have nearly the emotional investment in these characters that JB has (nor does nearly anyone else here; they are my hobby, but his professional life, after all), yet I still understand his reasons and respect them. He has stated often enough, for everyone to know by now, why he cannot consider working for Marvel as it's currently constituted. If you respect John, why would you ask him to basically supplicate himself and make a mockery out of what for him is a principled stand? Would you ask the same of yourself?
We all want to see JB work with these characters again, but if you know why he can't, then honor his decision. If circumstances change, don't you think John would be the first person in line to get back at it?
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Robert LaGuardia Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | 8
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I just love how it seemed that Breevort was trying to play to "his" crowd, but it backfired. A good majority of the responses were, "yeah we want Byrne back", not " that Byrne is crazy" with more of a few saying that they agreed with JB's challenge.
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 9
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Since this thread has drifted this way already, my challenge to Marvel would be to offer JB a book to write, only to have a fake name as the writer and see how it sells. Give him an arc on Spider-Man, or a run back of FF, or even an Avengers Initiative mini-series with mostly all new characters, but some classic characters thrown into the mix. Then see what happens.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | 10
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The idea that Brevoort seems to miss is that JB's challenge is not a request for work. Unless JB were made EIC, no amount of phone calls, writing/drawing assignments, or other contributions from JB could put him in a position to "put up or shut up."
Because of Brevoort's dodging the challenge in his blog entry, this thread has drifted. But does anyone here read enough Marvel comics today to comment on how Marvel is performing in regards to the specific points in JB's challenge?
Edited by Mark Haslett on 22 December 2008 at 3:57pm
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 4:41pm | IP Logged | 11
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So there's the "real" line, the Ultimate line, and now the Marvel Adventures line, from the people who cancelled Hidden Years because it was confusing readers?
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 22 December 2008 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | 12
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To summarize all the arguments for Marvel : "no, it's not what you want that's important. Or anyone else for that matter. It's what I want."
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