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John Byrne
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I challenge JB (with all respect) to make the call.
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You challenge me to go begging for work? Isn't an editor who has a job to
offer supposed to call the freelancer(s) he thinks would be appropriate to the
job?
As noted upthread, Breevort isn't "calling me out". He's admitting (perhaps
without realizing it) that I have made a valid point and is not responding to
that point, but instead saying "let's see you do better!"
Which I've already done.
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Robert White
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QUOTE:
You challenge me to go begging for work? Isn't an editor who has a job to
offer supposed to call the freelancer(s) he thinks would be appropriate to the
job?
As noted upthread, Breevort isn't "calling me out". He's admitting (perhaps
without realizing it) that I have made a valid point and is not responding to
that point, but instead saying "let's see you do better!"
Which I've already done.
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Something that I've noticed over the years from New Marvel is that they either don't take criticism well or they either pass it off as a joke and ignore it. Only with intense fan reaction of things like BND have I see Joe Q and Breevort get flustered.
That being said, they ARE doing some great stuff with Cap, Nova, Hercules and Guardians of the Galaxy. These are all hits and anyone who reads them and is familiar with JB's best Marvel work, should find it absurd for anyone else to think that he couldn't find a niche there
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Chad Carter
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And it's not like JB needs the money. What's the incentive? It's not like F**kdom is going embrace the man for entertaining them again. Ask Jim Shooter or Marshall Rogers (well, you can't ask him) or Roger Stern or Herb Trimpe. And to get hired to do work for a company who considers JB's work an anachronism at best? Does Brevoort even know what kind of comics the company is publishing these days?
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Rick Whiting
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Like I said before, JB,Stern,Hama,Claremont,Priest,Defalco ,Buscema,Walt and Louise Simonson,Pat Olife,Frenz,Lobdel, Fabian Nieceiza,Zircher,DnA,Alan Davis,Fed Van Lente,Jeff Parker,J Tores,and other comic book creators who are both WILLING and ABLE to put out all ages comics on a TIMRLY basis need to be given the MARVEL ADVENTURES line (editing,writing,and art) in order to show the current Marvel regime how it's done.
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Robert Kowalewski II
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I don't see a problem with that. The "main" books aren't everyone's cup-o-tea, but the Marvel Adventure lines are closer to what we grew up with as kids.
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Wallace Sellars
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I don't see a problem with that. The "main" books aren't everyone's cup-o-
tea, but the Marvel Adventure lines are closer to what we grew up with as
kids.
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Why aren't those the "main" books?
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Robert Kowalewski II
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Ask Marvel.
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Paulo Pereira
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QUOTE:
| ...and other comic book creators who are both WILLING and ABLE to put out
all ages comics on a TIMRLY basis need to be given the MARVEL
ADVENTURES line (editing,writing,and art) in order to show the current
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I like this idea.
EDIT: On second thought, why should all those guys do the "offshoot" line?
Well, I appreciate the sentiment behind the idea anyway.
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 21 December 2008 at 6:07pm
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Rick Whiting
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Just to clarify my suggestion. I'm not just talking simply about having JB and these other creators taking over the MA books as they currently exist now. I'm talking about them taking the whole line over and doing a complete COLD REBOOT of the entire line. The MA books could follow JB's suggestion for the main MU books and reset the books back to 1975 (or earlier) and then go from there. This new version of the MA books will follow the one or two issue storyline formula (with CONTINUING SUBPLOTS) that is currently being used in Amazing Spider-Girl. So the MA books can be thought of as the MAIN books, but going off in a completely different direction.
Edited by Rick Whiting on 21 December 2008 at 6:14pm
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Lars Sandmark
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Wallace wrote: "Why aren't those the main books?"
Robert wrote: "Ask Marvel."
If Wallace DID ask Marvel, Brevoort would say "Let's see you do better!" :)
(Or some other snarky-jerk thing) While never actually addressing Wallace's question.
Kinda like he did with JB. ...actually that's exactly what he did with JB.
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Jeff W Williams
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One flaw in that idea, Rick, is that the MA line has been successful. MA Spider-Man is Marvel's top subscription title. I'm not sure there'd be incentive to do a complete reboot of the books. I'd be happy enough just seeing some of the creators of the past back on the characters doing stories as they used to. I don't have a problem with separate lines for various age groups. If the MA line isn't dumbed down (and the ones I've read are not by any means), and tells classic-style Marvel stories, that's good by me.
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Robert White
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I see no reason why the Marvel Adventures line can't be morphed into a slightly more "mature" all-ages line free from continuity were creators like Byrne, Claremont, Simonson, Busiek, Stern, etc, would be free to tell good stories free from the trappings of trends and fads.
It would be very interesting to see what type of superhero comics the fans prefer: the Ultimate line, the official line, or the "idealized" line.
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