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Chad Carter
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Why don't they just resolve the Mephisto thing more...fully? Then everyone can be happy.
I mean, I'd be put off by a reboot made in this way as well. Or a revision, as the case may be.
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Fred J Chamberlain
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Chad, as a moderator at the Spider-Man Message Board, I can tell you that no matter how "well" they resolve the Mephisto story, some people will never move on. MJ and Peter must be back together or they are done.
In the latest issue they addressed Harry's return to life and posters who had been screaming and insisting that they knew Mephisto was involved and that his return hadn't been explained are still not happy.... nor have they admitted that they were wrong in their assumptions. Regardless of many attempts to ask them to wait and see how it plays out, they are absolutely certain they know the outcome is going to be crap. They are so firmly based in their stance based on information only taken from the OMD story that they are not actually reading the new stories with open eyes.
I had been reading Spider-Man for nearly 3 decades before the JMS stuff..... and somehow I was able to survive that and move on.
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JT Molloy
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No way. Remember when JB brought back Aunt May and from that day
forward baby-May was ignored? Who even thinks about that anymore? Aunt
May is just plain there. Forget Mephisto and just dig Spider-Man.
Also, it astounds me constantly that there are some vocal Spider-fans out
there who can't get into Brand New Day, but actually MISS the married, iron-
clad, avengers mansion living, teacher, organic webbed, totem powered,
stinger claw having Spider-Man.
Honestly, if continuity is THAT important, you need therapy.
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John Byrne
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Remember when JB brought back Aunt May…
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If you remember that, you must be visiting from Earth 2. I had nothing to do
with the return of Aunt May -- tho the fact that it was already planned and
in the pipeline was one of the things that enticed me onto AMAZING.
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Rick Whiting
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The best way to fix/retcon all of that OMD crap with Mephisto is to reveal it was actually Loki (who was disguised as Mephisto) that Spider-Man made the deal with. IIRC, in one issue of JMS run on ASM, Spider-Man helped out Loki's half mortal daughter (yeah, JMS gave Loki a daughter and hinted that he had many children over the century's) and Loki said he owed Spider-Man a favor.
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Greg Reeves
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Geez, how many things were done to the characters in the 90s that we wish we could undo but just moved on instead? Why is the Mephisto thing such a big deal? Clearly it was a means to reboot, but even if you examine the story it's plausible. Aunt May was shot and about to die because someone fired a bullet that missed Peter, and after exhausting every option to try to save her, decided with MJ (her idea mostly) to give up their knowledge of each other in order to save her. The woman that raised him like a mother. He's the cause of her mortal wounds, and decides he'll sacrifice his relationship with his wife to save May. It's not like he had to choose someone to die instead of May.
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Paul Kimball
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Before I got into comics, my early child-hood favorites were the Robin Hood
stories, Greek Myths. For the reason, I never minded lots of talking scenes. I
know some people call it "Blah-Blah" and that's a point of view but not
everyone feels that way. Actions nice to but I a good story keeps me
interested violence or not. Just Green Lantern flying in space and talking to
an Alien could blow my mind as a kid.
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JT Molloy
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If you remember that, you must be visiting from Earth 2. I had nothing to do
with the return of Aunt May -- tho the fact that it was already planned and
in the pipeline was one of the things that enticed me onto AMAZING.
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Ah, my mistake JB! My point still stands fer the whole Mephisto thingie.
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John Byrne
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Before I got into comics, my early child-hood favorites were the Robin Hood
stories, Greek Myths. For the reason, I never minded lots of talking scenes. I
know some people call it "Blah-Blah" and that's a point of view but not
everyone feels that way. Actions nice to but I a good story keeps me
interested violence or not. Just Green Lantern flying in space and talking to
an Alien could blow my mind as a kid.
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You were born in 1971, according to your profile, Paul. So unless you were
reading a lot of reprints, the comics to which you would have been
introduced circa 1977 were already starting to slip into the talk-then-action
motif.
In other words, you really didn't have a whole lot to compare them to.
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Todd Douglas
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Speaking only for myself....
It's such a big deal because May's life, Peter's current (more or less) happy life...it's built upon the hero getting what he wants by giving pure, undistilled evil what it wants, with no repercussions for either.
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Thanos Kollias
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I can't be true to myself, my values and my taste in comics and still like current Spider-Man. These stories are based on something Mephisto did. They may be good, even great stories, but they are based on crap. And this crap will return no matter what.
Marvel needs a Crisis event, but knowing how that worked fort he other guys, even that is no solution.
As for the crap before (Gwen, totem, Norman etc) they could be resolved very easily. VERY easily. No need to go to Mephisto for those. As for the marriage, well, I am not that much set against it. I have read really good stories of Peter and MJ being married by Stern, DeFalco and Mackie/Byrne that bought a lot of credit.
That said, I am happy some people can differentiate to the point of liking the current Spider-Man books. I am even a little envious.
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federico mazzoncini
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I think Federico was referncing this one, from Uncanny X-Men #123:
Even though now I think it's Austin who added the nipples...
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Well, yes Thanos (wow!Big shoes to fill in a Marble related thread, uh?), this is the panel I was talking about. (Sorry for the delay in posting, I had to get back to the office to post the scan, I'm still waiting for my adsl line @ home)
And yes, JB, I think I got a little carried away in my description, just out of the memory of the sheer enthusiasm I felt for my discovery back then.
I never knew it was Terry Austin's deed, to be honest the "nip slip" in my mind just fitted well with my opinion of JB and my perception of him sometimes hinting at the sexuality (or sexual life) of the charachters. Some moments in Superman titles spring to mind (I'd have to do a little research to give precise examples, though), and even some FF. Oh, and, obviously Alpha Flight and Next Men.
I always appreciated greatly this approach that, while always being polite and very subtle, gives the characters a more multidimensional connotation.
So, it was not JB, it was TA.
Referencing another thread, I just discovered that Santa does not exist :(
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