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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133317
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:01am | IP Logged | 1
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Stan Lee concocted a simple and straightforward way to include
exposition and action both at the same once. When Jack drew a fight scene,
Stan would have the heroes -- often speaking aloud -- ruminate on events
that had brought them to this point in their lives.
This became a point from which the earliest of the ennui-soaked fanboys
derived much glee, mocking the approach and encouraging others to do
likewise. Many of the fan-turned-pro writers who came in beginning in the
Seventies -- and with an ever increasing volume -- came from this school.
So, instead of action with exposition slipped in, we got more and more
exposition with action sandwiched uncomfortably between the blah
blah scenes. (Fell victim to this approach myself, on occasion.)
Essentially, this is what we used to call "Bad Writing". It's like filming
someone sitting in an armchair reading the book, and then saying you have
made a movie of "War and Peace". Too many writers today simply do not
understand the language of comicbooks. The most element parts of
the structure of telling a story with words and pictures.
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3601
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:24am | IP Logged | 2
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Don Said: Saturday morning
cartoons no longer exist. Children do not have the same
interests. Compare Winnie the Pooh to Hary Potter. But both in front
of children and see what they choose or want.
You're right cartoons are no longer limited to Saturday Mornings. They now have entire networks devoted to them showing nearly 24 hrs per day. Too bad the kids aren't interested.
Comparing Winnie the Pooh to Harry Potter is akin to comparing Carl Bark's Duckburg books to Lee and Ditko's Spiderman. Both are aimed at kids but kids of different age sets. And both like all well written comics. can be enjoyed by a more mature audience for what they are without changing the charachter to suit the audiences needs.
I have nothing against more mature material. I enjoy Y-the Last man and others, but, they were created as mature reading material.
Don
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Fred J Chamberlain Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 August 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4036
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:29am | IP Logged | 3
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Good is good. My young niece adores the Little Rascals. If it is done well, it will last the test of time. Let's see if much of the past few decades of comics passes that test.
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 4
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Though I don't watch them regularly, cause obviously, I'm too old for them to keep my interest up. I like the Nelvana Cartoons: 16, Total Drama Island, Ruby Gloom. They have terrific voice acting to boot.
As for Nickelodeon, Mighty Bee is just the best, it's just as good as My Life as a Teenage Robot was. I also enjoy Galaxy High from Marathon. And I liked Class of the Titans (it had some really good plot twists) and Storm Hawks I think? There was another cartoon that was in 3D called sky land or something, had alot of strong female characters. Avatar the Last Air Bender, was great, etc.
Of course, I'd like to watch realistic sci-fi adventure toons like those from the 80s that rocked my socks as a child: GI Joe, Galaxy Rangers, Inhumanoids, Visionaries, Bionic Six, Starcom, Spiral Zone, etc... but I guess that'll never happen again.
There's TONS of good cartoons for kids. Anime isn't bad either if you watch them subtitled, it's just that the american versions are translated by a cabal of vedge voice directors who have never known any human contact and voice acting is 50% of an animated show's appeal.
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Thanos Kollias Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 June 2004 Location: Greece Posts: 5009
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 5
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I think Federico was referncing this one, from Uncanny X-Men #123:
Even though now I think it's Austin who added the nipples...
Edited by Thanos Kollias on 18 December 2008 at 10:48am
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 6
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"The feeling I get from the MA books is that the actual intended audience is the Bendis folks. It's like, talk-talk-talk , brief fight scene, talk-talk-talk-talk. I don't know why that is. "
I dislike that Power Pack is constantly a vehicule for more adult books or characters like New Avengers or Whoreverine. I'd rather they'd be a strong division in characters between age groups.
Why not bring back Ash or 22 Brides and use those for the adult themed work? That's why I like the 80s and even late 90s better than right now. There was a better division. And you had fun books that could get a little racy, like the Wicked or w/e, though they never lasted more than a few issues. I guess there's still Vertigo but they never really publish action adventure. Or the action sequences are really short.
Right now, it seems like everything's crammed into the same few characters.
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Mikael Bergkvist Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 April 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 1857
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 7
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Even though now I think it's Austin who added the nipples...
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It still amazes me how women can be offensive simply by having been born.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 8
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QUOTE:
As for Nickelodeon, Mighty Bee is just the best... |
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Agreed. A bit of a gross-out factor but nice classic style of animation and humor. Better than anything aired by CN.
Speaking of Nickelodeon, it appears "Whoreverine" has sunk his whorish claws into that as well.
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Flavio Sapha Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:19am | IP Logged | 9
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Even though now I think it's Austin who added the nipples...
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It still amazes me how women can be offensive simply by having been born.
+++ I must say I find it harder and harder to justify one adult punching another.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 1631
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 10
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Taking a break this morning I picked up an old issue of Batman and the Outsiders, number 4 from 1983. I found it quite enjoyable (perhaps even moreso than the first time I read it lo those many years ago <g>) because of the following:
It's a single issue story, with a clear beginning, middle, and end. It doesn't feel rushed because the story and artwork are clear and easy to follow. Although there are several characters running around, economical dialogue and short, well chosen scenes explain things and give nice insight into the team members.
There is a fight scene which doesn't feel gratuitous or tacked on, and is actually essential to the plot. A villain is used from the Silver Age, but this little bit of continuity doesn't feel forced, and is handled deftly. There is no 'mature' subject matter, and the entertaining yarn feels written for any age to enjoy.
Personally speaking, I find this issue sums up a good, 'old school' comic book.
Edited by Greg Woronchak on 18 December 2008 at 11:45am
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133317
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 11:45am | IP Logged | 11
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I think it's Austin who added the nipples...
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You are correct. One of the disadvantages of my being 3,000 miles from the
Office. I was not able to undo Terry's occasionally inappropriate additions.
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Christos Seros Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1066
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Posted: 18 December 2008 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 12
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I always welcomed those additions, as a young teen that was the closest thing we had to Playboy.
Edited by Christos Seros on 18 December 2008 at 2:07pm
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