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Flavio Sapha
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And why is Marvel Adventures a "kiddie line?"
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Perhaps because when I google MARVEL ADVENTURES this comes up:
http://marvelkids.marvel.com/
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Flavio Sapha
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omething's written not to include idiotic foul language and redundant ultra-
violence
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That's what the mainstream books should be like.
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Paulo Pereira
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I have nothing against the MA line. It's great that it's doing well and that it's for all ages. But it begs the question: why isn't it the focus? Why does it have to exist at all? As Flavio says, the mainstream books should be like the MA books, as they once were. If Marvel wants to print adult material, why doesn't it do so under another imprint, like it used to have with Epic?
Edited by Paulo Pereira on 17 December 2008 at 10:43pm
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Chad Carter
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I have nothing against the MA line. It's great that it's doing well and that it's for all ages. But it begs the question: why it the focus? Why does it have to exist at all?
Apparently because adults won't let go of their childhood heroes. And there's two comic companies who believe a generation of adults are entitled to "their" heroes. And because "their" heroes need to reflect that generation of adults, the heroes too have "grown up."
The core problem is letting go. There are SO many new characters ready and willing to provide a comic book experience for readers above the target age, which for superhero comics "should be" early teens.
I can name plenty of great comics all adults can enjoy produced right now. What scares me is the mentality that reads the superhero comics as they are and thinks that's the way it's supposed to be. It ain't.
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Todd Douglas
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Doesn't it ever grow tiring, working so hard to miss the point? I say here
nothing by way of endorsing ASM, which I have not read. Others sing
its praises, as an exception to the dross that is the rest of Marvel's line.
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It's not missing the point at all. It's asking a related question. In relation to your question of if ASM is good, why aren't the others, it leads to the question of, "What's ASM got that the other books might not that makes it so much 'better?'" And if we distill those differences down, is that what we really want from the entire Marvel line?
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Todd Douglas
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| But in the meantime, I'll at least appreciate having an enjoyable Amazing Spider-Man once again |
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I'd appreciate an enjoyable Spider-Man book again, too.
Let me know when it happens.
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Paulo Pereira
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| Apparently because adults won't let go of their childhood heroes. And
there's two comic companies who believe a generation of adults are
entitled to "their" heroes. And because "their" heroes need to reflect
that generation of adults, the heroes too have "grown up." |
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All true. It's just that I can't fathom why the companies would cater to the shrinking portion of the readers. Can the lunatics really be running the asylum?
I read various statements saying that Marvel is a healthy company, the model is working, etc. but wouldn't it work better if they focused on the broader audience?
And when the young readers grow out of their Marvel Adventures, are they just going to pick up the "mainstream" books without missing a beat?
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Joe Zhang
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I predict by this time next year there won't be a publishing operation at Marvel. And Brevoort will be taking donations via PayPal.
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Robert White
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I used to think like many of you also...until I started reading stuff like Nova, Guardians of the Galaxy and Captain America.
Out of sheer curiousity I'd love to see exactly what would happen if all the changes JB suggested were implemented. Would sales dive in the short-term but build in the long-term? Would things get worse? Etc, etc.
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Thanos Kollias
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Greg wrote:
Blog: person posts thoughts and comments, other people respond.
JBF: John Byrne posts thoughts and comments, other people respond!
Sounds near enough to a blog to me! (That's not meant to diminish
the site; but the function of both are the same for the most part
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I think in this forum it's not only JB who opens a thread and other reply. Most of the topics are opened by forum members, and sometimes it's JB that esponds. Also there are a many forums around here going on at the same time. I am not a blog expert but I think there is a huge difference.
Finally, aren't forums older than blogs? If so, isn't it a bit diminishing to say a forum "sounds near enough to a blog"? Even if there is no truth whatsoever to this statement.
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federico mazzoncini
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John Byrne posts thoughts and comments, other people DANCE!!!
'nuff said?
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John Byrne
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Apparently because adults won't let go of their childhood heroes. And
there's two comic companies who believe a generation of adults are entitled
to "their" heroes. And because "their" heroes need to reflect that generation
of adults, the heroes too have "grown up."
The core problem is letting go. There are SO many new characters ready and
willing to provide a comic book experience for readers above the target age,
which for superhero comics "should be" early teens.
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There's no reason a mature reader has to "let go" of anything. Keyword:
MATURE. Having extra years behind you does not necessarily make for
maturity. Those who want the superheroes to "grow up" and reflect more
"mature" themes in fact demonstrate themselves to be far from "grown up"
themselves. A truly adult reader can appreciate Pooh, or Dr. Seuss, or Harry
Potter, or the teenage Spider-Man created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko for
what they are. S/he does not demand those characters and concepts be
altered to fit the altered needs of that reader.
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