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Greg Woronchak
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There is only MARVEL! MARVEL RULZ!!!!
Hmm, gives me an idea for a t-shirt <g>....
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Greg Reeves
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| Posted: 17 December 2008 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 2
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Last thing I'll say on this, I just want to be clear- 100% fans means to me that 100% of the people on this forum are fans of your work, not that we all love 100% of everything that you do. Hopefully that came across the way I meant it.
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David Schimmel
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JB,
The only thing that I do agree with Tom Breevort is the hope that you
would be part of Marvel again. I haven't read a comic book in nearly two
years, and that certainly would prompt me to do so.
BUT, if the Marvel you return to is like the one from two years ago, then
forget it. And if anyone has a right to critique the industry, it certainly is
one who has made their livelihood within that profession.
And while I don't agree with every rule you listed, since there were times
during some of your runs when those rules were in fact broken, I do think
if ANY comic book company attempted to follow them, it could lead to
inspired storytelling, and THAT would be nice to see (and read)!
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John Byrne
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I don't agree with every rule you listed, since there were times
during some of your runs when those rules were in fact broken…
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Indeed they were! But, as I noted upthread, most often they were either
because it was the first time such a "rule" had been broken, or because
it was an exception to my general approach, not, as these things have
become at Marvel, pretty much s.o.p.
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Mike Dunn
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| Posted: 17 December 2008 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 5
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Why is anyone surprised that Marvel would respond to a publicly issued
"challenge" from an industry legend? And why is anyone surprised that
Marvel issued a public response with a contrary position?
My only wish is that it was more of a dialogue between the two sides rather
than just lobbing passive-aggressive internet grenades at each other.
Maybe comics are still just for "kids" after all.
-m'dunn
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Paul Greer
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Mike, I agree that there is nothing wrong with debating the issues. Nor do I have a problem with Breevort using his blog to do so. But Breevort didn't counter JB's challenge with proof that his challenge either; didn't have merit or that it had been met. He instead ranted on how JB must be unhappy working for IDW and needs to call Marvel and ask for some work.
In regards to Amazing Spider-Man. I think it is the best title Marvel is putting out. However, it is the exception to the direction of the company, not the rule.
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Thomas Moudry
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Zaki Hasen wrote, "
What was unprofessional about it?"
Where I come from, calling someone "stupid" is unprofessional when it's done via some official outlet of the company you work for.
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JS Palm
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Seriously -- does it really take a math genius to realize that "writing for the
trade" impacts the sales of the monthlies, and if those sales drop enough
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It would seem that it has a positive effect.
May 2004, The first month a Walking Dead trade appeared.
#7 sold 10,495 copies, 8 trades later, #55 sold 23,855 copies.
Dec 2002, The first month a Fables trade appeared.
#8 sold 22,222 copies, 11 trades later, #78 sold 23,345 copies.
September 2004, The first month an Invincible trade appeared.
#15 sold 8,612 copies, 10 trades later, #55 sold 14,422 copies.
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John Benson
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I suspect that ASM is a test case, to see how well it sells. (with the lighter, easier to parse tone) THOR has been very good but it's early in a new run.
There's been (in my opinion) some good runs lately. The Planet Hulk storyline, Captain America, even the BIG EVENTS have made much more sense and have been much more readable than DC's Final Infinite Crisis of Infinite Finales.
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Joe Zhang
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"Why is anyone surprised that Marvel would respond to a publicly issued
"challenge" from an industry legend?"
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Who's surprised?
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Joe Zhang
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It would seem that it has a positive effect.
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Can you say these examples are the rule, not the exception?
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Chad Carter
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Frankly, I´d find it insulting to see JB work in the kiddie line while the "real" characters are stuck in the S/M Leather-Bondage 616 Universe.
I hope you're kidding, Flavio. Why would you feel insulted for JB? And why is Marvel Adventures a "kiddie line?"
Just cause something's written not to include idiotic foul language and redundant ultra-violence and, oh
Cause lest we forget, women in fiction always pose to thrust out their massive boobs and awesome onions.
I'd rather see JB doing work for an intended audience than for an audience of frustrated "Heavy Metal Magazine" archivists.
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