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John Byrne
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If all of Marvel's comics were like the current ASM, I don't think we would be
having this discussion.
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The question then being, why aren't all of Marvel's comics like ASM?
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Lars Sandmark
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Amen.
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Bruce Buchanan
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Beats me. I wish they were.
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Mark Haslett
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Greg: Brevoort did no different. He responded on his own blog to a challenge
made here by JB on HIS own blog. To come here would have been very
disrespectful on Brevoort's part, unless he responded simply by saying
thanks for the input.
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This reasoning is completely faulty, but it's so common to find among people today where actual debate or discussion is generally avoided.
Coming here to respond to JB would be the respectful thing to do, if being respectful was the intent. "Responding" from another blog just creates static.
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Greg Reeves
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Here's what I mean, Mark: this website is hosted by JB and frequented by 100% fans of his work (normally, anyway). Brevoort knows JB's contribution to Marvel history and comics in general, and would be foolish to come here and say, "put up or shut up" in front of all of his fans. He has a blog of his own, and clearly reads at least some threads found here (unless he was directed to this one), but most likely has read the numerous threads started by JB or we fans that complain about the current state of Marvel. You're a top editor of said company, and you're not going to respond? Maybe he didn't do point-for-point, but he's defending what he thinks isn't broken. After all, there is a good amount of people outside of this website that actually like current Marvel comics, but you wouldn't know it from reading many recent threads here.
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Todd Douglas
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Bruce Buchanan wrote:
If all of Marvel's comics were like the current ASM, I don't think we would be
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I know I certainly wouldn't be anywhere near this discussion. If all of Marvel's comics were like the current ASM, I wouldn't be reading a single Marvel title (instead of the small handful I do read).
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John Byrne wrote:
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Do we really want all of Marvel's books to be prime examples of mediocrity, built upon a foundation of a deal with the devil, and instead of the oft-cited desire around these parts for the books to be designed for "all ages" and/or new readers to instead be targeted squarely at those who have been around for 20+ years and were disenchanted with the past two decades of the book's status quo?
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JT Molloy
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After all, there is a good amount of people outside of this website that
actually like current Marvel comics, but you wouldn't know it from reading
many recent threads here.
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Well, there's certainly "an amount".
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Mark Haslett
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re: Greg
Well you have just contradicted me, should I feel disrespected?
Brevoort coming here to say "put up or shut up" is exactly what respect is about. If he considers JB a worthy professional, someone who deserves to be treated as an equal, then the conversation should happen directly.
Talking at angles is about looking to other people besides your opposite. Posting at his blog to "defend" what he thinks isn't broken is talking at angles rather than dealing directly with JB's criticism.
It also is self-contradictory. If it ain't broken, then why acknowledge JB's ravings in any way?
Edited by Mark Haslett on 17 December 2008 at 12:43pm
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John Byrne
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The question then being, why aren't all of Marvel's comics like ASM?
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Do we really want all of Marvel's books to be prime examples of mediocrity,
built upon a foundation of a deal with the devil…
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Doesn't it ever grow tiring, working so hard to miss the point? I say here
nothing by way of endorsing ASM, which I have not read. Others sing
its praises, as an exception to the dross that is the rest of Marvel's line.
Thus I pose the question if ASM is good, why aren't the others?
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John Byrne
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…this website is hosted by JB and frequented by 100% fans of his work
(normally, anyway)…
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That is not even remotely true. If you cannot back up your argument with
fact, what is the point of even making it?
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Clint Ludwick
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I am a firm believer of voting with your wallet. In the past year, I have bought 1 Marvel comic, ASM #580. I don't see this trend changing anytime soon.
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JT Molloy
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built upon a foundation of a deal with the devil, ....
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Get over that. No matter what happens, (shaper of worlds, devil, clones,
universe explodes) someone's gonna whine about HOW they got Spider-
Man back to something resembling his roots. I'm more concerned with
the stories being told currently. I didn't read One More Day because it's
ridiculous, but definitely started up again with hope during Brand New
Day, and it's payed off in spades.
The simplest storyline I could think of is; remember in Scrubs when
Doctor Cox and Jordan were told they were still married because
someone signed the wrong papers? That's what the should've done but inverted. Peter and MJ should've broken up and someone tells them they
were never married. Same result. Less cosmos.
The problem being, how do you fix the totem stuff, the secret identity,
the organic webs, and 9000 other things they did to ruin that character? I
can't believe I;m saying this, but Marvel made the right move. It's dumb,
no doubt, but the result is magnificent.
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