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Rick Whiting
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The Marvel Adventure books is a perfect example of a good idea with (depending on who's writing the books)a bad execution. On one hand, the books are fast paced action packed done in one issue superhero comics suitable for all ages. On the other hand, the stories are either too "sanitized",generally talk down to the readers,and are too campy.
The MA books are trying (unsuccessfully IMO) to recapture the old school feel (but set in the modern day) silver age Marvel superhero comics. The difference is that while Stan and the Bullpen told stories in layers, the MA books tell stories that are so obviously aimed at little kids.
If Marvel was smart, they should hand the entire MA line over to JB,Roger Stern,Louise and Walter Simonson,Larry Hama,Priest,Claremont,Tom Defalco,and other old school veteran creators and editors to handle the entire MA line.
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Zaki Hasan
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The Marvel Adventure books is a perfect example of a good idea with (depending on who's writing the books)a bad execution.
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Based on the general level of success that the MA line has achieved in non-traditional venues, it seems like Marvel could use more of that bad execution.
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Joe Zhang
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"If Marvel was smart, they should hand the entire MA line over to
JB,Roger Stern,Louise and Walter Simonson,Larry
Hama,Priest,Claremont,Tom Defalco,and other old school veteran creators
and editors to handle the entire MA line."
I agree with that 100% They should but the top talent on these books, not the semi-pros.
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Chad Carter
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Over at DC, I recently saw Ed Brubaker's name popping up on some years-past BATMAN ADVENTURES comics. I don't know how many he did, and yeh I gather it may be "try-out" jobs, but what the hell.
Frankly, I don't know why Herb Trimpe and Sal Buscema and Ron Frenz and JB and others aren't being invited regularly to produce for Marvel Adventures.
And as far as it goes, I think the artists will dictate the writing improve to become more faceted, if indeed the Marvel Style is being used.
I know for a fact JB knows how to write comics ostensibly for younger readers with enough subtext for the fogeys.
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John Byrne
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To paraphrase loosely what Bruce said about 4 pages back, what would you
do if Tom Breevort did call you at home to say "can we work this out?"
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Asked and answered.
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Paul Kimball
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To paraphrase loosely what Bruce said about 4 pages back, what would you
do if Tom Breevort did call you at home to say "can we work this out?"
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Asked and answered.
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I see it now. thanks.
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Thomas Moudry
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I read that blog entry. That blog's at Marvel's official website? Awfully
unprofessional, if you ask me.
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Zaki Hasan
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What was unprofessional about it? From where I sit, he answered a direct challenge that was leveled at the company he works for, and he defended both his and his colleagues' work. Seems like the very definition of professional to me.
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Pedro Cruz
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My two cents as a reader and long-time fan of JB's work : at this point in his career, I'd rather look for the future and see him exploring new territory with FX, Star Trek, Angel and his own creations at IDW than seeing him go back to the past with Marvel or DC, which he's already done anyway. Even his comics at IDW have better production values (colors, paper) than what he got last time at those two other publishers.
Edited by Pedro Cruz on 17 December 2008 at 1:57am
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Tim O Neill
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Zaki H: "What was unprofessional about it? From where I sit, he answered a direct challenge that was leveled at the company he works for, and he defended both his and his colleagues' work. Seems like the very definition of professional to me."
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It's not professional at all. It's more like the smack talk of professional wrestling.
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Joe Zhang
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I really wonder if some of us actually read what Brevoort wrote.
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Simon Bowland
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Nope, not what I suggested.
Well I'm confused then, Joe. What were you suggesting? You looked at a list of Marvel books shipping this week, and said:
Good gods. Look at that list. Virtually the same line-up as ten, twenty ago. The "creative" people who "work" at Marvel are the true welfare queens.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you not moaning on about the shipping list being "virtually the same line-up as ten, twenty years ago"? The list contains no details of storylines, creative teams etc, just the titles themselves - so I can only presume you're referring to the actual books themselves. And I took that to mean that you're not happy that it's the "same line-up" of Spider-Man, X-Men etc. So what exactly are you trying to say? You've confused me, you're not explaining your point(s) in a manner that I'm able to understand. Please can you clarify?
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