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Joe Zhang
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"This was 10 years ago. Joe Quesada is not the same editor in chief he
was then and he himself said he has learned over the last 10 years.
JB can go back and make a great book. I'd like to see a fresh Wolverine story than see JB revisit the Hidden Years.
Why would anyone not want JB to do a new Marvel book?"
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So does that mean he's a better or worse EIC? Will he ever apologize for unfairly axing Hidden Years?
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John Byrne
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" For example, ASM has occasionally gone
"pin up" with their covers as early as Issue 38 (or earlier, if you want to
consider the covers to Issues 19 and/or 31 pin ups)."
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I wouldn't call any of those you sited pin-up covers. Maybe #19. The
other two are montages of scenes in the comic, far from pin-ups in my
opinion. Regardless, I'm glad to hear the trend is currently going away
from that...at least in the Spider-Man comics.
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And, of course, there is no difference at all between occasional pin-up
covers and a policy of pin-up covers.
Context, context, context.
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Simon Bowland
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That's a pathetic way to view it, in my opinion.
Guess you tuned out after my first sentence. What's the point in moaning and complaining about the state of Marvel, if you're not even willing to get in there and try to make a difference, even if it's only a small one? You'd get a Marvel page rate, you'd make a hell of a lot of your fans happy - the people who essentially pay the wages of everyone who earns a living from comics - and you might even enjoy yourself in the process! If it doesn't work out, what harm has been done? You can walk away with your head held high, knowing that you'd at least tried, that you'd made an effort. If you truly didn't care one iota about Marvel, I doubt you would have laid down the challenge to begin with.
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Marc Guggenheim
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But here the context is BND -- and only three pin ups in over a year of
publishing three times a month -- i.e., "occasional."
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Zaki Hasan
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Love the Marvel Adventures line. In my experience those are the very definition of "all ages" comics.
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Joe Zhang
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JB makes a difference doing what he does now, maybe. But to work for this version of Marvel, on their terms, would guarantee he makes no difference at all.
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John Byrne
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What's the point in moaning and complaining about the state of Marvel, if
you're not even willing to get in there and try to make a difference, even if
it's only a small one?
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You seem to be imbuing me with supernatural powers, here. Apparently,
with the same people in charge as were there the last time, I can now walk
into Marvel and find the place completely transformed. No more would I be
lied to, or about, or generally fucked over.
You know, they say one measure of insanity is doing the same thing over
and over and expecting a different result each time.
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Martin Kogan
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Chad, from your comments it sounded as if you could see the future. I was being sarcastic.
No one knows what either Brevoort or anyone at Marvel would say to John.
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John Benson
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JB, how long has it been since you worked for Marvel?
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Brad Hague
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I think the Spider-Man Brand New Day line is one of the more refreshing lines for Marvel in recent years. I say good job Marc, and keep it up. Now that Marvel has Frank Cho back, put him on the book and see what happens.
Now if only the X-titles could be cleaned up as efficiently (there's a huge mess over there).
And I know that Secret Invasion was a huge seller, but it ended up being a huge let down for me.
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Zaki Hasan
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Solicits for March 2009:
MARVEL ADVENTURES SUPER HEROES #9
MARVEL ADVENTURES FANTASTIC FOUR #46
MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN #49
MARVEL ADVENTURES THE AVENGERS #34
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Unless those titles are sold in venues other than comic shops -- ie, other
than a venue in which a potential new reader has to make a deliberate
decision to start buying comics and then seek them out (probably not close to
home!) -- the point stands.
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Not really.
These are, in fact, the very Marvel titles that are most often
found on newsstands, and the digests are sold in schools
as part of book fairs, too.
And MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN is the publisher's number one subscription title.
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Simon Bowland
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Strictly speaking, I think Bill Jemas was publisher when Hidden Years was (foolishly) canned. He's gone now, Dan Buckley is publisher, and I'm sure JQ approaches his job differently seven years on, with the benefit of hindsight and experience, as do we all. At the end of the day, I think the ball is in JB's court just as much as it's in Marvel's court, but it seems to be an impasse. Maybe it wouldn't be different next time, but maybe - just maybe - it would. No-one can say for certain.
Uncle Rog is back in the ASM fold now. Stern and Byrne... it would be good, even if only for one single 22-page issue.
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