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John Byrne
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Solicits for March 2009:
MARVEL ADVENTURES SUPER HEROES #9
MARVEL ADVENTURES FANTASTIC FOUR #46
MARVEL ADVENTURES SPIDER-MAN #49
MARVEL ADVENTURES THE AVENGERS #34
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Unless those titles are sold in venues other than comic shops -- ie, other
than a venue in which a potential new reader has to make a deliberate
decision to start buying comics and then seek them out (probably not close to
home!) -- the point stands.
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John Byrne
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"But JB did. It was called X-Men Hidden Years. And they canned the book
and lied and lied about the reasons why. So why should he expect anything
different from Joe Quesada and his editors?"
This was 10 years ago. Joe Quesada is not the same editor in chief he was
then and he himself said he has learned over the last 10 years.
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In fact is was seven years ago. I guess I have three years to wait.
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John Byrne
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…let's take a look at how Brand New Day has lived up to John's challenge...
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Eight points and 3 "except for…"s -- and the third with three strike?
Not liking those numbers much, Mark!
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JS Palm
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QUOTE:
Unless those titles are sold in venues other than comic shops -- ie, other
than a venue in which a potential new reader has to make a deliberate
decision to start buying comics and then seek them out (probably not close to
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I have seen them in the childrens book section at Barnes and Noble, Borders and Target.
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John Byrne
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There's half a point for Marvel, then. Where else?
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Marc Guggenheim
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Well, I'm only conceding the last one with a wink. As for the other two -- 3-
part stories and no pinups -- I'd argue that those "except for's" are not only
de minimis, I'd put up BND's record with anything published over ASM's
history in terms of your criteria. For example, ASM has occasionally gone
"pin up" with their covers as early as Issue 38 (or earlier, if you want to
consider the covers to Issues 19 and/or 31 pin ups).
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Joe Hollon
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"I have seen them in the childrens book section at Barnes and Noble, Borders and Target. "
"There's half a point for Marvel, then. Where else?
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I wouldn't be nearly that generous. I'll give Marvel 1/10 of a point. The problem is the fact that a line of comics designated "for kids" is necessary. These are superhero stories for Dog's sake! Shouldn't they be accessible to kids? Any kid old enough to realize he's reading the comics "for kids" wouldn't want to. They'd want the "real" stories. Which are of course....not appropriate.
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Gerry Turnbull
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a good proportion of the comments after the blog are people wishing JB was back at Marvel.Thats good to see.
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Chad Carter
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Hey Chad, what's tomorrow lotto number? I could sure use a couple of millions.
Pretend I'm not brilliant and explain this to me. I can't figure out if it's a slam or praise. I must be tired.
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I'm with Joe H on this - those kid lines are the equivalent of the "Spidey" title
when we were kids. It aims too low. You need the books to be all ages so
the nine year olds are striving to look like twelve year olds by reading the
same books.
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" For example, ASM has occasionally gone
"pin up" with their covers as early as Issue 38 (or earlier, if you want to
consider the covers to Issues 19 and/or 31 pin ups)."
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I wouldn't call any of those you sited pin-up covers. Maybe #19, but even it shows multiple characters featured in that issue. The other two are montages of scenes in the comic, far from pin-ups in my opinion. Regardless, I'm glad to hear the trend is currently going away from that...at least in the Spider-Man comics.
Edited by Joe Hollon on 16 December 2008 at 6:55pm
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John Byrne
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What you address there, Joe, is something that has been wrong with both
Marvel and DC for a long time now. Ignoring Stan Lee's famed dictum
Never give the fans what they think they want, but companies
constantly scan the horizon in search of any clue to what the potential
audience might be looking for. Exactly what Stan, Jack, Steve et al were
not doing when they created the FF, Spider-Man, the X-Men, the
Avengers (in the whole and in the parts). In fact, the only time they tried to
cash in on the known audience, they failed, with the first pass at the Hulk.
So, the Big Two try to create books for which there will be a demand,
instead of (as early Marvel did) trying to create that demand.
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