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Posted: 16 December 2008 at 10:30am | IP Logged | 1  

The only thing I can get from this blog,
http://www.marvel.com/blogs/Tom_Brevoort/ , is that he wants JB back at
M****l, while still retaining some sort of self respect about it.
He can't just say "Ok, you are right, get back here" can he?
He CAN say what he says, and hope that JB picks up on the 'challange", and
the end result would be the same, JB doing stuff for them.

••

Except, as noted, the "challenge" has already been met -- and continues to
be met with every job I do.
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Mikael Bergkvist
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True, but they haven't lured you back to work for them yet, without loosing face, have they?

There is a swedish saying:
"You don't miss the milking cow until it's gone".

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 QUOTE:
"Put up or shut up" is another way of saying "Put your money where your mouth is." In other words, stand behind what you say with action, not merely words.*

Ah, thanks.  I was thinking of "put up" in the sense of "endure."



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The challenge didn't include anything that a rational person would think of as inflamatory.  It didn't attack individuals, or call for the termination of someone's employment.  It laid out examples of what JB thinks are failings of an industry in the way they produce their product.  The only rational response would have been to address the points raised by either refuting them or trying to give valid excuses for the failings.
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Richard Stevens
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If only there were a way to "license" JB to do the Marvel characters on his
own similar to Heroes Reborn. Simply a license to make and publish books
as a separate line and pay for using the characters.
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If only there were a way to "license" JB to do the Marvel characters on his
own similar to Heroes Reborn. Simply a license to make and publish books
as a separate line and pay for using the characters.

••

Originally, that was the idea behind CHAPTER ONE.

It was an odd experience. I signed on to do a kind of "What If Stan and Steve
Had It All Figured Out Right from the Start" miniseries, it got out to the fan
rumor mill that I was doing a MAN OF STEEL on Spider-Man, and Marvel,
rather than simply saying "No, this is more like HEROES REBORN" dug in their
heels and insisted that this was a reboot for the main Spider-Man mythos.

In terms of what I planned to do this made absolutely no difference to the
project, and was actually something of a compliment, so I sailed ahead as
planned.

Later, Marvel did exactly the same thing I'd been originally hired to do, this
time in the form of the ULTIMATE line, and the same "voices" that had been
"heard" complaining about the least misplaced comma in CHAPTER ONE
applauded every change in the ULTIMATE books. (It's a sad lesson I really
should have learned from MAN OF STEEL. If I had let the WHO'S WHO
editors refer to "my" Superman as Superman III there would likely have been
almost no complaints. Even Mark Waid might have been able to sleep
nights.)
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Gerry Turnbull
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JB,would you consider accepting Breevorts challenge?
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Bill Wiist
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Tom B's "challenge" is bogus.



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Trevor Giberson
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The authenticity of the challenge is easily tested.
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Bill Wiist
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It seems to me Tom B's challenge misses the whole point of JB's challenge.
JB calls for Marvel to produce original self-contained stories* and Tom B tells him to give him a call. --- huh?  How does that change the normal operating procedure at Marvel at all?

JB is currently putting his money where his mouth is, just not at Marvel, so Tom B's "challenge" is really just nonsense. He's an editor. He could call JB if he wanted him for a project. Right? What am I missing?

*edited to add: well, not exactly, but you get the point.


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It's a bit pathetic from both sides of the fence in my opinion. Maybe it goes back to the whole "don't give the fans what they think they want", because it's pretty clear that a lot of fans would love to see JB back on a monthly Marvel book. Throw in a decent writer, an inker who knows what he's doing and a colourist who grew up in the pre-Photoshop-filters era and I've got little doubt that such a book would easily sell beyond the break-even levels.

Will it happen? I doubt it. All this "M****l" stuff is petty, and Tom expecting you to call him is petty. Does he have your number? If not, can he find it? Can he use a telephone? So why can't he call you? Honestly, it's like two young kids who need their heads banging together, it's just ridiculous. There has to be some common ground to be found, but neither party seems willing to make the first sensible move.

I don't see how Tom B has done anything wrong by posting on his blog. He's responding to a challenge in the public domain, with a counter-challenge in the public domain. And speaking purely as a fan of comics, I can't argue with what he's said regarding Perez and Simonson. George Perez is working for DC and I'm eagerly buying said work. If JB was working for DC or Marvel, I'd be buying said work, without hesitation - as I have for the past 20-odd years on an almost religious basis - and I wouldn't be alone. But Star Trek from IDW? Sorry but it doesn't interest me, nor would it if Perez was working on it, or some of my other favourite artists - Gary Frank, John Romita JR, Alan Davis, to name three.

At the end of the day, everyone has to be happy with what they're doing. If JB is happier working on Star Trek than he would be on a Marvel or DC comic, then good for him because job satisfaction is important, especially for an artist. But I look at the commissions which are posted here, and I can see the true love he still has for those characters. Those characters are still around (mostly), they're just not quite the same as they were 15 years ago. Unless someone comes in and takes them back to their roots, or in a different direction again, then nothing's going to change is it? There are those who think, and those who do.

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Andrew Paul Leyland
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I'd just love a world where John phones Mr Brevorrt (or Ralph Macchio) and, after he's picked his jaw off the floor, he listens to John pitch DOOM WAR! for the FF.  And then a SPIDER-MAN arc with Marc Guggenheim.  The only thing better than that would be more NEXT MEN.

Ah, I can dream can't I?

Andy

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