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Aric Shapiro
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This debacle has gone on long enough. DC's endorsement of this product disgusts me
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Brian Talley
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Does Frank Miller have an online presence of any kind where all this might be discussed? I'd be curious to read his thoughts and or reasoning about the whole issue and this book in general.
A quick Google search of "Frank Miller Forum" turns this....
http://www.moebiusgraphics.com/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=2
It appears that Miller has posted there, but not yet on this subject.
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Al Cook
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Knut, I think you summed it up perfectly.
They used to have such a beautiful marriage, too.
(And now nobody's even thinking about the kids...)
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Flavio Sapha
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 7:10am | IP Logged | 4
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the editor thought it inappropriate that it should even be implied that Superman, or any other superhero, would use the words that could not actually be printed.
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Out of synch, much? D00d, get on with the program!
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 7:18am | IP Logged | 5
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Isn't there any kind of editorial hand involved before the book actually gets lettered? I'm sure Miller doesn't simply e-mail his script to the letterer. The buck ( or cunt, as it were) should have stopped there. If DC wanted to do the responsible thing, they would never have let the words get in there in the first place. But they let the books go as far as getting to retailers before they had a problem with it? That's bullshit. In all reality, how many stops would the book have made BEFORE the book got shipped to stores? How many chances to avoid this before the book shipped?
Does Frank have some sort of carte blanche clause in his contract for his work with them?
Now I have actually been enjoying the series, but I have felt that he's gone too far with his profanity. To have this kind of publicity with a character as storied as Batman just leaves me a little sad.
And DC had to know that if any copies made it to the retailers that none of them would be destroyed. Are they that naive?
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Robert White
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I borrowed and read the first eight issues and was unimpressed. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if Miller is writing this title as a sort of satire of his own work or the perceived qualities of his work imitated by others.
This is just not the sort of thing I want to read when I pick up a piece of escapist fiction. Is that so wrong, Frank?
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Brian Talley
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| Posted: 11 September 2008 at 7:54am | IP Logged | 7
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Holy crap...take a look at this.......
http://search.ebay.com/all-star-batman-10_W0QQ_trksidZm37Q2e l1313QQfromZR40
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Brian Miller
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Yeah, there's well over a hundred of these. These guys are making a killing. Makes me wish I had a handful of these.
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Bruce Buchanan
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All-Star Batman & Robin may well go down as the most disappointing series in the history of comics.
In theory, the concept of Frank Miller & Jim Lee doing Batman sounds like a winner. But the actual comic has been anything but.
Brian, I've also wondered about Miller and editorial guidance. Perhaps he has a creative control clause in his deal with DC. Or perhaps the editors just don't feel comfortable saying "no" to a legend like Miller. I wish somebody would, though.
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Brian Talley
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Yeah, there's well over a hundred of these. These guys are making a killing. Makes me wish I had a handful of these.
Just for a drill, I sent one of the sellers a message asking why he (and others) did not follow the publisher and didtributiors wishes and destroy the books. The answer should be overflowing with BS.
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Dave Kopperman
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Thing is, since the lettering was (most likely) done in Illustrator, it would
have been a step of maybe another 5 seconds to make the offending
words into paths, and then merge them with the block - meaning that
you'd get the desired effect of little aspects of the lettering sticking out,
but no danger whatsoever of the block moving or a misprint like this
occurring.
The DC production department seems to be having a bad month. The
only DC book I bought this month had at least one, and possibly two
pretty big production screw-ups. The first is possibly just a joke I don't
get - there's an entire page without dialogue, and some people think
that's deliberate. But the other gaffe is clearly just bad paste-up:
Call me crazy, but doesn't it look very much like production was
supposed to repro the cityscape from panel two into the following two
panels?
(The context is that the baby OMAC doll (heh) has fallen from the
satellite)
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John Byrne
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Yeah, there's well over a hundred of these. These guys are making a killing.
Makes me wish I had a handful of these.
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And thus you declare yourself part of the problem.
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