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Keith Elder
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You know what I blame this on the breakdown of?
Society!
(Yeah, stolen from the Simpsons...)
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Sam Karns
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Indeed.
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David Ferguson
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What does the D and C stand for in DC comics?
*****
Don't Censor?*
*if you use the incorrect meaning of censor.
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Matt Hawes
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Joe wrote:
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Detective Comics. The company that was once National Periodicals officially changed its name to that of its flagship title.
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John Byrne
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DETECTIVE COMICS is the origin of the DC name, but, in fact, when the
company officially changed from National Periodicals it became simply DC
Comics. The "DC" no longer actually stands for anything, kind of like the S
in Harry S Truman.
Because of their distinctive bullet on the covers, National had long been
called DC Superman by fans, so it seemed a logical enough change. (At the
time, Roger Stern grumbled that they'd had a perfect chance to become
SUPER comics, mirroring MARVEL, but I had to go along with corporate
thinking, myself. Did not seem like it would have been a good idea to
change the name to something other than what the company was already
being called!)
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Craig Bogart
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"If you're a writer who's a fierce critic of the comics code, creator of a previous comics series full of not all-ages material but also lacking in a mature readers warning, trying to create a milieu for "your" Batman, and your editors display a certain (being generous here) inconsistency as regards to language (and other content, frankly), why the frick would you suddenly start SELF-censoring? "Let the profanities fly; god will know his own.""
(emphasis added)
It's not Miller's Batman. Philosophically, I have no opposition to what Miller has done (overlooking the incredibly bad writing for a moment). He should just be doing it with his own characters, not assuming some ownership of Batman and deciding he has the right to be childishly provocative with a property that isn't his.
Of course, DC is allowing him to do it, so the blame still lands squarely in their lap.
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JT Molloy
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I used to laugh at that as a kid, "Detective Comics Comics".
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Paul H. Kupperberg
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Sorry I've so long out of the loop--it's been a weird, stressful few weeks. Part of the weird was the week I spent up at DC doing a research project. I happen to be in the room with Levitz when he learned of the ASBAR debacle: he looked, shook his head, said to trash and reprint it and that was it. After the bearers of bad tidings left the office I said "Don't they know that if you put it on paper, it will find a way to print?", as in "Don't ever put on a final board, even as a joke to be whited out or removed, something you absolutely do not want to see in print!"
The way I understand it is: 800-lb gorilla puerile writer wants the real dirty words lettered on the page so that you can see the very tippy-tops and bottoms of the letters around the black bars and MAYBE figure out what the words are. Why? I dunno; he still gets a thrill saying "poopie" in front of the grown-ups, I guess. WHY THOSE WORDS EVER HAD TO BE LETTERED INTO A BATMAN COMIC BOOK IN THE FIRST PLACE I WILL NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS UNDERSTAND, but that's neither here nor there. In the proof stages, the bars cover the bad words just fine. In final print, I'm not sure what happened--maybe they didn't back up the black bar in the separation stage to make it true, opaque black--but those puppies shipped. MOST were recalled but those that got through are out there for sale...and the news is all over how we use such language in a BATMAN comic.
Of course, I keep coming back to WHY THOSE WORDS EVER HAD TO BE LETTERED INTO A BATMAN COMIC BOOK IN THE FIRST PLACE (forgive me if I'm retreading previously trod ground; I haven't read all 15-pages of posts). But, you keep handing over the keys to the candystore to the kids, somebody's gonna get sick!
Edited by Paul H. Kupperberg on 16 September 2008 at 10:52am
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Rick Whiting
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I still can't figure out why DC allows "cuss" words like ass,bitch,bastard,and goddamn in all of their DCU superhero titles (both Code Approved and non Code Approved comics). It seems to me that DC is still trying to prove to older teen and adult non comic book readers how "mature" and KEWL their superhero titles are.
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Vinny Valenti
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Really, if we are to bitch about DC allowing profanities and such in books featuring their mainstream characters, you need to turn the clock back over 20 years. DKR had some in it, and The Killing Joke had Barbara Gordon's bare ass in it, if I recall correctly. Both without any sort of Mature Reader advisory.
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Wallace Sellars
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Those words don't belong in a Batman comic book... period!
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Rick Whiting
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Vinny, I have been disgusted and complaining about the profanity,graphic violence,and strong sexual innuendos in DCU superhero titles for over 20 years. I just didn't do it on the internet over the past 20 years. It's because of the profanity,graphic violence,and strong sexual innuendos why I don't read most DCU superhero comics (and why I have dropped many Marvel titles since Quesada became EIC). Unlike some fans, I actually vote with my wallet and don't buy books that I either don't enjoy or have a problem with the content.
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