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Aric Shapiro
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Is Holy Terror "officially" off?  I'd heard from some folks who saw some of the pages that the art was really incredible.  Wonder what will become of all of those pages
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I really like the *$!?"%!! convention for comic book swearing. What are the traditional characters for this?  One's a swirl I haven't got on my keyboard. And who did it first?
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Kevin Hagerman
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Look:

Miller turns in a script that has the word "Goddamned" in it.  DC prints it.  No black bars.  Apparently, no feedback, no, "uh, if you ever get a second issue out, could you lay off the salty talk"?  So Miller continues to use the word, and others, without SELF-censorship.  DC lets more "goddamned"s through.  They black-bar other words.  They let "sperm bank" through.

If you're a writer who's a fierce critic of the comics code, creator of a previous comics series full of not all-ages material but also lacking in a mature readers warning, trying to create a milieu for "your" Batman, and your editors display a certain (being generous here) inconsistency as regards to language (and other content, frankly), why the frick would you suddenly start SELF-censoring?  "Let the profanities fly; god will know his own."

So, why didn't Miller just use black bars?  Because he doesn't BELIEVE in black bars.  #10 is probably his favorite issue to date!

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This does make sense. i got under the impression that Millar knew the words get censored. But maybe he just expected it and looked how far he could go.
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Brian Talley
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All I know is by virtue of the press that this has been given, Miller has given people a reason to badmouth the hobby who otherwise would have nothing to say about it. Just you wait until the PTC weighs in on it.

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You know who I blame? The parents! Parents are irresponsible! They should monitor their kids more. If you can't read through pages and pages of comics, or play 100 hours of a videogame before letting your kids read it, you're a failure of a parent! America is a NAZI state of FASCISM that won't let me show whatever I want to children behind their parents back even thought I try.

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I know you are sarcastic, Martin. But in germany the videogames are marked ( all ages, 12, 16, and for adults only), and I've seen lots of parents who just don't give a fuck. Yes, lots of parents ARE irresponsible.
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Martin Redmond
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I'm fine with that. As long as the parents know, then it becomes their decision. My friends and I saw all sorts of innapropriate movies in grade school.

I just find it immature when artists are too scared of losing revenue from having their work labeled properly. Because it's not about artistic expression, it's about money.



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Aric Shapiro asked:
Is Holy Terror "officially" off?  I'd heard from some folks who saw some of the pages that the art was really incredible.  Wonder what will become of all of those pages

Found this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/20/movies/20webs.html?pagewan ted=1&_r=1&sq

“I have a bunch of drawing I want to do,” he said. One project, which began as “Holy War, Batman!,” a series with a post-9/11 context, has shifted. “As I worked on it, it became something that was no longer Batman. It’s somewhere past that, and I decided it’s going to be part of a new series that I’m starting.”
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Gene Kendall
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Posted: 15 September 2008 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 10  

Did Miller even drop C-bombs and F-bombs in Sin City?

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Joe Zhang
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What does the D and C stand for in DC comics? 
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Is this puppy ever coming to LCS?
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