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Andy Mokler
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Oh come on. There are a ton of things to bash Miller for as is
evidenced in this very thread. This is just silly. He created the
work called 300 upon which the film is based.
I wasn't being snide, I thought that there was already the legend of that king as well as an old movie called the 300 Spartans. I don't know what about 300 is supposed to have been created by Miller.
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Matt Reed
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The art, the narrative structure, the words chosen to tell the story...
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Andy Mokler
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I don't know, Matt. To me, that would be like saying Terry Gilliam created Baron Munchausen or Tim Burton created Batman. I'm not that familiar with the actual legend of the Spartans so I don't know how close to the story FM's version is but it just seems to be a re-telling of an already established story. I'm not downplaying it since I actually really liked his movie but I don't think he should be credited with creating it.
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Matt Reed
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He's credited with creating the specific graphic novel entitled 300, not the battle and history itself whole cloth, much the same way Terry Gilliam is the creator of THE ADVENTURES OF BARON MÜNCHHAUSEN by taking various accounts both real and fictional and weaving them into a wholly unique film...unless you think anyone could have taken the name and created exactly what Gilliam did. Tim Burton is never credited with being the creator of BATMAN, just the director.
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Andy Mokler
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I suppose it's just semantics but when the ad states that he's the creator of Sin City and 300 it makes it misleading to me. Although inspired by an established genre, Sin City was his creation. 300 is just a re-interpretation as far as I'm concerned. As is Baron Munchausen by Gilliam and Batman by Burton. It's not a bad thing but there's a big difference(to me) between saying Tim Burton's Batman and creator of Batman, Tim Burton. Frank Miller's 300 is fine. Creator of 300, Frank Miller is a gray area at best.
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Matt Reed
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
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John Byrne
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I'm sure that DC would love it if they could sell 125,000 copies of All-Star
Batman every month. Since the current output seems to be two issues a
year, that's down to an average of 20,000 issues or so per month.
However, that's 250,000 comics a year that they wouldn't be selling if
there were no All-Star Batman at all, and I'm sure that DC knew going into
the deal that Miller doesn't have the greatest track record as far as
turning in scripts on a timely basis.
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Diminished expectations, again.
Let's set aside how appalling 125,000 a month is for a "best seller" (I averaged
250,000 on FANTASTIC FOUR and nearly twice that on ALPHA FLIGHT), do the
math. DC could hire some lesser lights who might sell 20 or 25 thousand copies
every month and they'd make as much, if not more, than what they are
making of ALL STAR.
If this is about the bottom line, their bookkeeping is fkd.
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Brian Miller
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It's not a bad thing but there's a big difference(to me) between saying Tim Burton's Batman and creator of Batman, Tim Burton. Frank Miller's 300 is fine. Creator of 300, Frank Miller is a gray area at best
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How about FRANK MILLER'S THE SPIRIT, then?
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Wow. Alpha Flight sold that well?
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Wow. Alpha Flight sold that well?
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For the first year or so. As I noted in another thread, the very expensive
($1!!) first issue sold around half a million, the highest sales any
mainstream book had seen in quite a while.
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Yeah, I remembered that. Just didn't realize the following issues were DOUBLING the FF at the time. I figured it was second only to X-Men. Well, and maybe Daredevil.
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Diminished expectations, again.
Let's set aside how appalling 125,000 a month is for a "best seller" (I
averaged 250,000 on FANTASTIC FOUR and nearly twice that on ALPHA
FLIGHT), do the math. DC could hire some lesser lights who might sell 20
or 25 thousand copies every month and they'd make as much, if not
more, than what they are making of ALL STAR.
If this is about the bottom line, their bookkeeping is fkd.
Not to mention that Frank Miller, Jim Lee and Scott Williams are probably
the top-paid writer, penciller and inker in comics. I wonder how many
other books can be produced for the same amount of money that the
creative team pulls in for an issue of All-Star.
Somewhere in that bottom line, DC's probably factoring in the expense of
staying on Frank Miller's good side at all costs, and they've decided that
whatever work they can get out of him is worth the headaches and
uncertainty.
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