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Andrew W. Farago
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Do you think that Frank Miller sees himself as Dark Knight-era Batman?
All of the other superheroes are uncomfortable with him, since he doesn't
want to play by society's rules, and despite all of their best efforts to take
him down, he keeps on doing his own thing, and giving them the finger
as he does it? It would explain a lot.
I still read All-Star Batman every time it comes out, since even batshit-
insane Frank Miller is worth a look, and every time I think I've seen the
most over-the-top crazy Batman comic he can produce, the next issue
manages to take things to a completely different level of weirdness. I
don't know if it's the car-wreck nature of the comic that keeps me
coming back, and I couldn't tell you for sure whether I love it or hate it,
but I definitely get my three bucks' worth out of it.
And I'm not worried about ASBAR having an effect on the Batman
character the way that Dark Knight did, since Frank Miller's the only guy
who could write this comic for DC. They gave him free reign on the
comic, and whatever people think of the results, as was mentioned
earlier, he's bringing in huge sales for DC, so I'm sure that they're really
happy about that aspect of the comic, at any rate.
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Keith Elder
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Its DC's best selling title, isn't it?
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If you normalize it to issues sold per year, it's probably doing no better than average.
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John Byrne
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…he's bringing in huge sales for DC…
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Ah, that ol' debbil Diminished Expectations!
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Andrew Hess
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I'm reminded of a conversation I just had with my 9-year-old son:
Some people really want attention, and will do crazy things to get attention. But there is Good Attention and Bad Attention.
Even tho this title is getting a lot of press, at first in the industry but now in the standard press, it isn't necessarily something that will help the company in the long run.
What DC is doing is Bad Attention.
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John Byrne
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"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked
about."
-- Oscar Wilde
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Ted Pugliese
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Funny, Brian. Very funny :-)
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Andrew W. Farago
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I'm sure that DC would love it if they could sell 125,000 copies of All-Star
Batman every month. Since the current output seems to be two issues a
year, that's down to an average of 20,000 issues or so per month.
However, that's 250,000 comics a year that they wouldn't be selling if
there were no All-Star Batman at all, and I'm sure that DC knew going into
the deal that Miller doesn't have the greatest track record as far as
turning in scripts on a timely basis. Add in trade paperback and
hardcover sales, the fact that DC can slap "From the creator of The Dark
Knight Returns/300/Sin City and director of 'Will Eisner's The Spirit" on
the collected editions (not to mention the fact that they should be billing
Jim Lee as "illustrator of the top-selling comic book of all time" (or
whatever official record X-Men #1 set), and it's something they'll be able
to sell for decades to come.
My guess is that DC will only be concerned if sales start to drop, and if an
issue ships *without* causing any fuss from fans and retailers. The fact
that All-Star Batman is the most-discussed title EVERY SINGLE TIME AN
ISSUES SHIPS is probably making DC very happy, too. It could be that all
of the energy that people work up for the title would go away if the title
managed to come out on a monthly or bi-monthly basis, but I guess all
of that's between Frank Miller and DC.
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Joel Tesch
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However, that's 250,000 comics a year that they wouldn't be selling if
there were no All-Star Batman at all,
Why does it have to be either/or? You could have another team on All-Star Batman (or another writer w/ Jim Lee). Even if it only sold 25,000 per issue but came out 12 times a year, they'd be selling 20% more than what they currently are of the title.
The fact that All-Star Batman is the most-discussed title EVERY SINGLE TIME AN ISSUES SHIPS is probably making DC very happy, too.
And where is the value in that? Where has that led to increased sales of other Batman titles? Or other DC product? Do they think it makes them look like the edgy company? Not really. I think M***** still beats them in that image (not that that's a good thing). In fact, it's only that particular comic that gets discussed, NOT DC or their other product.
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Chad Carter
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If A-SB gets discussed, it has to be because it's the most retarded comic book of all time. I can't see people seriously viewing A-SB on its merits...and what about Jim Lee? This is all he does now. Maybe one of best artists working, and he's not doing anything but A-SB.
Doesn't he think he's being wasted? I mean severely hampered from other kinds of work while working on Miller's ass loaf?
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Chad Carter
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Okay, you all gotta go to the bottom for the punch line, but it's worth it!
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2008/09/can-you-guess-whats -in-this-mysterious.html#links
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Brian Miller
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and what about Jim Lee? This is all he does now. Maybe one of best artists working, and he's not doing anything but A-SB.
Doesn't he think he's being wasted?
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Probably not since he's been designing DC's big online RPG as well as drawing this book. That has as much to do ( if not more) with the title being late than Frank being late with scripts.
Didn't Lee make some sort of apology for how behind he was on it a few months back?
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Brian Talley
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From Colleen Doran's blog.....
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