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Bob Freeman
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 8:52am | IP Logged | 1  

150 tanks roll across the Georgian border, and their president says it's akin to Hitler invading Poland. Hundreds of civilians dead... escalating to all out war...


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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:10am | IP Logged | 2  

Czar Vladimir won't rest until he has all of the old empire back.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 3  

Big problem is that there are still a lot of Russians in the former Soviet republics and a lot of places they've become whipping boys for other problems. And Russia isn't going to stand for that. This is like Hitler invading Poland in that Hitler's excuse was to intervene on behalf of the German minority in western Poland.

Whether this is an excuse for Russia or a real concern is, I guess, what the argument is about here. Not so sure I'll judge that before things shake out a bit more.

Scary either way.

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Martin Redmond
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:23am | IP Logged | 4  

Can't we just send them some really violent videogames to settle their anger instead? :(
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:26am | IP Logged | 5  

Longish article here:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/georgia-ru ssia-has-invaded-and-we-are-under-attack-13934899.html

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Michael Abbey
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:38am | IP Logged | 6  

Unfortunately, I believe America's credibility is so damaged as of late, that we can have no real impact in trying to negotiate peace. Thank God Georgia is not in NATO.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 10:14am | IP Logged | 7  

I think the rush to bring former East Eruopean countries and especially former Soviet republics into NATO is destabilizing in itself. Russia still considers itself "Papa Bear", and problems like what we see in Georgia should be resolved before we risk getting NATO into it.

A lot is being made about corruption, instability and dictatorial tendencies in Russia, but you've got much the same problems in Georgia and other former Soviet Republics as well.

I'm half expecting to hear that the president of Georgia starts referring to the people of the small breakaway republic as "terrorists". (edit. Nevermind)



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Joel Tesch
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 8  

Wow...think they'll head north into South Carolina or south into Florida next?
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Patrick Graffin
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 10:56am | IP Logged | 9  

Is there oil in Georgia?

If there is --- USA will be there pretty soon.

 

 

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Joe Zhang
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:03am | IP Logged | 10  

Yes there is, sort of. There's a major pipeline that runs from the Caspian Sea nation of Azerbaijan, through Georgia, and into Turkey. Presumably from Turkey's Mediterranean ports the oil gets shipped out to world markets. 

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Michael Retour
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Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:12am | IP Logged | 11  

Interesting. 

Russia isn't going to allow certain actions close to, or on, its border. 

The United States won't be able to do much to solve this I agree.

A shame.




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Knut Robert Knutsen
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I read a piece by some Russia experts in Norway, and basically it's that North Ossetia is in Russia and South Ossetia is in Georgia, the people of Ossetia are unhappy with how they're being treated as a minority and broke free and now Russia has peacekeepers in there and a lot of people in Ossetia have russian passports, so even if Russia don't want a fight, they have to do a lot of posturing on both sides. 

Georgia doesn't want to set a precedent for other parts of Georgia that are unhappy with the central government and want to secede, Russia isn't happy about Georgia trying to get into Nato (they don't want too many Nato forces on their border) et cetera.

It doesn't look like a fight anybody wants, it's too damn trivial, but they have to stick to certain principles like keeping Georgia together and sticking up for Russians abroad. Sticky.

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