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Brian Deuser
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I always wondered what JB's doodles looked like:
http://westfieldcomics.com/wow/art/feature/large/v5feat_211- X-Men_122_sketch.jpg
Thanks for the article, Al.
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Shaun Crowell
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In the article it states that X-Men 110 was done by Cockrum and DeZungia however in the comic credits it lists DeZungia as the guest artist with an assist by Cockrum.
I have never considered 110 to be a Cockrum issue so that stuck out when I read it.
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Derek Muthart
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Nice writing Al. You did a wonderful job of summing up the Claremont/Byrne run. At the end of it I was like, WOW, all of that did occur during that period of time and it didn't even take multi-title, multi-character summer event to tell it.
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Andrew Hess
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Al said, in part: "I want to thank John Byrne for all of his help with the
article. This is the second time John has taken the
time to answer my pesky questions for a BI article."
*******
Al -
<sarcasm>
Don't you mean you had to hound John Byrne for this article you had
already paid him for, and even when you donated your kidney to him, you
had to make up things?
I mean, how else are the Bad Byrne stories going to continue?
</sarcasm>
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Horace Austin
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Looking forward to issue #29.
I'll drop by the TwoMorrows booth at SDCC and pick up a copy.
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Al Nickerson
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Andrew said: <sarcasm>
Don't you mean you had to hound John Byrne for this
article you had
already paid him for, and even when you donated
your kidney to him, you
had to make up things?
I mean, how else are the Bad Byrne stories going to
continue?
</sarcasm>
*******
Sadly, John Byrne has always had his critics.
However, John has always been kind and generous
to me. Plus, his comics have had an enormous
impact on the industry and on a young kid who once
dreamt of becoming a comic book inker.
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John Byrne
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Sadly, John Byrne has always had his critics.
••
You know what they say -- when the legend is more interesting than the
truth, print the legend!
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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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Congratulations, Al; I'll be sure to pick up a copy!
Can I ask - I realize the focus of your article was the Claremont/Byrne/Austin period - but your brief recounting of the X-Men's prior publishing history makes it seem like a thoroughly second-rate, undistinguished book; why didn't you at least touch upon the Thomas/Adams/Palmer valiant but unsuccessful effort to stave off its cancellation? Or the Steranko contribution? Just curious...
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John Byrne
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Not to answer for Al, since only he can answer your question as phrased,
but for most of its original run X-MEN was a "second-rate,
undistinguished book". Its fans -- and I number myself among them --
were fiercely loyal, but there was a lot of hard slogging. The Kirby issues
were, well, KIRBY issues! Say no more. But it was a long, dry patch
between them and a few blips of goodness after. (Personally, I think the
Steranko issues are polished to a high luster by nostalgia, and not a
shade of his work on SHIELD. And, remember, they were so badly
stepped on in editorial Jim had his name taken off the second issue!) The
Barry Smith who did a single issue might as well have been a different
guy with the same name, so little of the future CONAN artist is to be
found in the work. And the Thomas/Adams/Palmer issues? Superb --
but a radical departure from all that went before.
In a history of the X-Men, pre-GIANT-SIZED 1, those standout issues are
barely more than footnotes.
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I reeeally like the Kirby/Lee X-MEN issues, especially the way the Beast was
handled.
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Al Nickerson
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Can I ask - I realize the focus of your article was the
Claremont/Byrne/Austin period - but your brief
recounting of the X-Men's prior publishing history
makes it seem like a thoroughly second-rate,
undistinguished book; why didn't you at least touch
upon the Thomas/Adams/Palmer valiant but
unsuccessful effort to stave off its cancellation? Or
the Steranko contribution? Just curious...
*******
JB is correct. I think that maybe now we might think
that X-MEN may have had a long and wonderful
history. I’m sure I don’t have to tell anyone here
about this, but, at one point, the book was almost
cancelled.
Also, I didn’t want to take up too much space in
going over any more of the X-MEN history other than
the basics (the origin of the team and then the "New"
team). I hope that doesn’t imply (for example) that I
don’t adore the Neal Adams’ X-MEN issues. I do.
But, I had to stay focused. Also, keep in mind that I
had a word count limit. I did toy around with the idea
of writing about the low sales of some of the X-MEN
run, and the subsequent reprinting of some of the
issues. However, the more I wrote about the
non-Byrne X-MEN, the less I could focus on the main
topic of the article which WAS the Byrne issues.
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Derek Muthart
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Sadly, John Byrne has always had his critics.
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I'm starting to realize this might actually be a compliment. You know you have accomplished something or hit a chord with an audience when you start developing not only fans, but critics as well.
During my young colorist career I have had several people compliment my work (although I still have so much more to learn), but recently I actually had a critic who hated it.
At first I was upset, but after thinking about it for awhile I started thinking, "Wow, I have a bonafide critic who can't stand my work. I must be making some real progress."
Now I'm starting to wonder if the more critics one has is an indication of how prolific they have become.
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