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Bruce Buchanan
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Geez, that's disappointing. Sorry to hear that, JB. And I'm especially sorry to hear that Paul is out of a job. That stinks.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 11 April 2008 at 9:24am | IP Logged | 2
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I have to say this is upsetting. Not only because it leaves a guy like Paul Kupperberg out of a job, but the fact that the magazine publisher falls into the same stereotype that most people have about wrestling fans. That their fans, which is largerly made up by children, don't like to read. It is a magazine for crying out loud! They would have to read the articles, why not a fun comic strip putting their favorite wrestlers in fantastic situations? Is this thing just going to be 80 pages of pictures and no captions? It also amazes me they wouldn't have waited for the first few issues of their new childrens magazine to actually be published and read by their fans, before making such a decision.•• Discussing this with Paul, I noted that there is more to it than simple economics or "kids don't read" mentality. Some things simply do not cross over into other forms. Sports are high on that list. Billions of dollars spent every year, in this country alone, on sports of all kinds, yet if we take all the thousands upon thousands of comics published in the last 75 years or so, how many of them were sports oriented? And of the few that were, how many were successful. Same with movies. So many millions of miles of film, yet so few sports movies. Novels are the same. Such books/movies/TV shows etc do exist, but they are by far the exception, and really successful examples are an exception to the exception. It falls into the same category as comics based on videogames, I think. More millions spent by consumers, yet how many of those consumers want to read about the characters, instead of being the characters?
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JT Molloy
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I think wrestling is a different monster than most sports though. It's mostly fictitious and guys with cool nicknames in bright themed costumes duke it out. I saw some documentary called Beyond The Mat a few years back and they even had Stan Lee commenting in it on how much like a super-world it was.
I'm not even much of a wrestling guy myself but I remember friends of mine as a kid talking about it in the same manner they would comics. "Who would win?!" "No way dude, he'd crush him!" "That guy's costume sucks! His is better!"
I think some of the decision makers in this world need to remember what it was like to be a kid before making new-age generalizations and cutting stuff like that.
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Michael Retour
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I can't think of anything except "Strange Sports Stories" (twice but I believe the second was reprints) and "Hot Wheels" (with some gorgeous Toth art) in my 40+ years of reading comics off the top of my head. Neither of the two titles were successful either. I found a listing but I've never read any of them except the two above.
http://www.newkadia.com/NK.php?sst=Sports
In a way, the Kirby FF story where Ben Grimm fought Torgo was a "sports" story. A lot of comic books have that element in them but straight out sports? Not many.
Edited by Michael Retour on 11 April 2008 at 9:51am
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Brian Talley
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NFL Superpro?
*ducks*
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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So will these two strips never be published JB? Did they commision lots and then dump the whole idea before any saw print?
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John Byrne
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The first has already been published. The second will be in the second
issue.
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Jeff Albertson
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Here's wishing Paul the best of luck finding another position/assignment. He was a real nice guy when I asked him to sign my copy of Showcase 100 20 odd years ago.
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Charles Valderrama
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That's a shame-- a WWE comic strip seemed like a plus for a children's
magazine!!!
-C!
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Brian Talley
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Out of curiosity, JB....did they have you do any "test drawings" of any other wrestlers that you can share?
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Mike Bunge
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The "kids don't read comics" thing is so totally contradicted by both Manga in general and Disney's use of comics, not to mention M****l and DC's young readers lines, that I can't imagine anyone with a brain saying such a thing.
Speaking of Manga, haven't they had more success with sports comics over in Japan?
And let me second the praise for those strips. It seems like that would be exactly the sort of thing that young wrestling fans would get a kick out of.
Mike
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Jeremy Boyd
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JB how much research did you have to do? Are you familiar with the WWE's
current shows?
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