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Paulo Pereira
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The M-W dictionary defines plagiarism as "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use (another's production) without crediting the source."
This is what separates the swipe from the homage. In the case of the homage, whether the artist of the original piece is due compensation is one thing (and a matter that should probably be addressed; and I think it's up to the business entity to address it, not the individual artist, unless that artist is the entity) but the artist who did the homage is certainly not passing off the work as his own.
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John Byrne
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"to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own : use
(another's production) without crediting the source."
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The latter part covers Lichtenstien, I'd say.
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Andy Mokler
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So is Rob Liefeld's -- and in the same way.
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Very true. Knowing only Lichtenstein, vaguely, by name I got the impression from earlier posts that his stuff was literally just enlarged versions of swiped material. From the link, it's clear his work was heavily referenced but not what I thought it was.
I'm still not condoning or agreeing with his or Liefeld's practices.
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Steven Cassidy
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I've only ever seen a couple panels exhibited as RL swipes.
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"Couple"? That's either astonishingly ill-informed, or astonishingly
disingenuous.
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No, seriously -- I hate his art so I ignore most things Rob L -- so I've only ever seen a few panels posted online or in a magazine that show the swipe. Is there a web-site I can visit to see more?
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Paulo Pereira
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Steven, there have a been a few links posted in this thread, but a quick Google will probably turn up something.
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Greg Woronchak
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Is there a web-site I can visit to see more?
Why would you want to torture your eyes <g>....
Edited by Greg Woronchak on 2008 February 27 at 3:22pm
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Steven Cassidy
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Should I google "Rob Leifield swipe" or what key words? I have a friend who loves his work -- I'd love to shove it in my friends face.
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Andy Mokler
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It wasn't swipe related but the "40 reasons RL is the worst artist ever" link was a funny read.
I'm torn about ol' Rob. It's generally just not in me to really harp on someone's shortcomings. I'm not a fan of a lot of artists but for some reason he presents such an inviting target. It's certainly a guilty pleasure getting involved with all of the swipes and other negative talk about him but I still can't disconnect myself completely from the fact that he IS a real person out there, somewhere.
Can I rationalize it and say that it's just about the art and not about him? Seems like a leap, since most artwork has at least a little bit of the artist in it.
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Paulo Pereira
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Don't feel too badly for Mr. Liefeld, Andy. He seems to be doing quite well for himself.
Steven, check out page 16 of this thread for a montage of RL swipes. There's also this one:
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Armindo Macieira
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Steven Cassidy wrote:
| I may be wrong -- but Rob can draw on his own talent, right? |
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Er...no? In fact Liefeld and talent in the same sentence might be a crime in some states.
Edited by Armindo Macieira on 2008 February 27 at 3:40pm
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Chris Abel
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I've only ever seen a couple panels exhibited as RL swipes.
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The Swipe of the Week page, before it shut down, had around 12 swipes that they had identified from Liefeld. The majority of the swipes presented were sent to them by the comic community. I'm sure there are probably more that haven't been showcased before. And the Cap example from the last page isn't a swipe, just coincidence IMO. Definitely not a trace.
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Keith Elder
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I feel a bit sorry for Liefeld, also. Not to the point I'd ever buy anything he did... but if he had never been so over-rated as an artist in the '90s, there wouldn't be this massive disdain for his art today. He's a tragic creation of comic book fandom, in a way.
And I've thought Liefeld had a certain talent in his fine rendering, textures, that sort of thing. His anatomy and perspective is so grossly warped, though, that it is disturbing to look at.
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