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F. Ron Miller
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I'm not a lawyer but in the legal sense of the word, I doubt it.
He was copying everything in those panels and if they had words then they
got copied too. Just like when Andy Worhal copied soup cans he copied the
words too.
I'm unaware that Lichtenstein ever claimed other than the finished physical
painting was 'his own'. The referenced/copied model/material was
understood to come from popular culture.
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John Byrne
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He was copying everything in those panels and if they had words then they
got copied too. Just like when Andy Worhal copied soup cans he copied the
words too.
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The words on soup cans are not governed by the same conventions as the
words of an author.
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F. Ron Miller
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I understand that. And as I said I'm not a lawyer, I'm in no position to
evaluate the strength of such a case in a court of law. I sought only to
underscore his methods when you posed the question to me.
That said, do I think it's plagiarism? First and foremost I think it's
copying. If one can use those terms interchangeably, then yes, it's also plagiarism.
Edited by F. Ron Miller on 2008 February 27 at 3:01pm
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Andy Mokler
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Thanks for the link, JB.
Not condoning or buying into it but his stuff is slightly different than the source material.
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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He was copying everything in those panels and if they had words then they
got copied too. Just like when Andy Worhal copied soup cans he copied the
words too.
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Perhaps comicbooks where nothing else than soupcans to him. Which, from my point of view, makes it even worse.
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John Byrne
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Not condoning or buying into it but his stuff is slightly different than the
source material.
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So is Rob Liefeld's -- and in the same way.
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John Byrne
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Perhaps comicbooks where nothing else than soupcans to him.
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That was certainly the way his apostles treated them. Lichtenstien's
cannibalization, according to the critics, was elevating comics to the
lofty realms of Art.
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Thorsten Brochhaus
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Not condoning or buying into it but his stuff is slightly different than the source material.
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So he didn't even have the skills to do it right.
Edited by Thorsten Brochhaus on 2008 February 27 at 3:05pm
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Dave Pruitt
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Interesting link. I'd say, in every single case, the comic art looks better, and the differences don't change the fact that he didn't design a single piece, just monkeyed around with tones, colors and contrast. All he did was adjust the set.
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John Byrne
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So he didn't even have the skills to do it right.
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A bad artist who found a way to disguise his shortcomings.
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Steven Cassidy
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I may be wrong -- but Rob can draw on his own talent, right? He hasn't lifted everything he's ever put on a page, right? I've only ever seen a couple panels exhibited as RL swipes.
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John Byrne
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I've only ever seen a couple panels exhibited as RL swipes.
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"Couple"? That's either astonishingly ill-informed, or astonishingly
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