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Jesus Garcia
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Yep, Kirby used it to bash Byrne in Destroyer Duck.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Knut is right, John Buscema was using a much broader definition of swiping than the type done by Bob Kane, Rich Buckler, or Keith Giffen. There's no John Buscema comic I know of where you can say "this figure here is copied exactly from this earlier figure drawn by Kirby." Buscema may have at times imitated poses or panel layouts he'd seen in others' work, but he never copied them exactly to the point they look like tracings. I'm sure he was not recommending that kind of swiping.
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Armindo Macieira
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What I think Buscema means is that when he (re)joined Marvel in 66 he was doing commercial illustration, I think, and at the time Stan Lee gave him several books from Kirby to "reintruduce" him to comics. So, in a way, he probably used Kirby's art as a template to regain the "groove" to draw comics. At least, I don't recall seing any swiped panel from Kirby in his work...
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Thanos Kollias
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Er, I think I remember Buscema was given a Kirby laid out FF (?) issue to pencil, which he completely erased and started form scratch when he first took over the book. No way can I buy that Big John copied a single thing from Kirby.
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John Byrne
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Can someone own the Kirby or Adams style?
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No. Which is often unfortunate.
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John Byrne
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Kirby used it to bash Byrne in Destroyer Duck.
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I need to pull out that copy of DD Steve Gerber signed and gave to me.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"Kirby used it to bash Byrne in Destroyer Duck.
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I need to pull out that copy of DD Steve Gerber signed and gave to me. "
I've read several places that the "Booster Cogburn" villain was based on some remark you made in an interview about you being "a cog in the machine" at Marvel. Though some would probably say that his red hair and superior physique were the REAL clues (insert smiley face here).
What is your opinion of the comic? Personally I found the combination of Gerber, Kirby and Alcala to be strange but good.
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Robert LaGuardia
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Ron Chevrier wrote:
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| (Lee, in fact went through a period in
which he aped Frank Miller's entire Sin City style in order to draw
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Yeah I remember Miller calling him out on this(also Mike Netzer/Nasser) in a Sin City letters page.Miller got revenge though.
Well, Marv did.....
Edited by Robert LaGuardia on 2008 February 26 at 4:33pm
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Chris Abel
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I would say that they were both probably aping Steranko
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Paulo Pereira
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Did even Steranko originate that stark black and white?
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Felicity Walker
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Who did the lettering on that Sin City page? I liked it.
Edited by Felicity Walker on 2008 February 26 at 6:16pm
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Felicity Walker wrote:
Who did the lettering on that Sin City page? I liked it. |
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Frank Miller lettered it.
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