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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 133580
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:48am | IP Logged | 1
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Howard and I were discussing this, this morning, and he made a point about a runner who always comes in last, every race, because he is concentrating on making sure every stride is perfect. Would he be considered a good runner?Maybe. But only if he was going for his own "personal best", not if he was competing in a race with other runners. Too many comic artists these days seem to have forgotten that an important part of that "personal best" is hitting the deadlines. The deadlines are part of the whole package, part of what the artist has signed on to produce And it STILL mystifies me that more retailers are not grabbing the torches and pitchforks over this. I mean, I have lost count of the number of times I have seen retailers complain that they have "lost money" when a book doesn't sell as well as they thought it would. Yet where are the complaints about the money lost when they are promised 12 issues and 9 are delivered?
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Greg McPhee Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 August 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 5094
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:54am | IP Logged | 2
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Something that gets me is when an artist can't seem to produce 12 issues a year, but we do get an issue from them eventually, we the fans, should be over the moon we are getting anything at all.
Surely it's quite simple: You can't do the job you were hired to do, there's the door.
That's the way it goes in my work and a lot of other places.
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 3
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Something that gets me is when an artist can't seem to produce 12 issues a
year, but we do get an issue from them eventually, we the fans, should be
over the moon we are getting anything at all.
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As Frank Miller put it, once upon a time, "These guys do the job they're paid
to do, and they expect a parade!"
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | 4
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QUOTE:
Too many comic artists these days seem to have forgotten that an important part of that "personal best" is hitting the deadlines. The deadlines are part of the whole package, part of what the artist has signed on to produce |
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Exactly. Certain artists are focused on onlyy one aspect of the job. The professionals of the industry were/are adept at all aspects.
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Greg Woronchak Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 04 September 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 1631
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 3:39pm | IP Logged | 5
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Too many comic artists these days seem to have forgotten that an important part of that "personal best" is hitting the deadlines.
Great point. Some pencillers seem to forget (or choose to ignore) the fact that they're part of a team, a chain of folk working together to get the issue done on time.
I wonder if this 'superstar' attitude that seems to be plaguing the industry a relatively new phenomenon, or has it always been a factor?
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Jim Lynch Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 6
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These guys do the job they're paid to do, and they expect a parade!"
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I often feel this way about pro football players when they make a touchdown. Isn't that what they're supposed to do? I certainly never spike my TPS reports when I get them from the printer.
I miss the old days when I was dumb enough I didn't know when a book was coming out so until late December I didn't know if I had bought twelve issues that year.
I will admit I am enabling the rose-growing, and I keep buying the books. Four color heroin I guess.
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Aaron Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 06 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 10461
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | 7
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I don't really keep track of when stuff is scheduled to come out. If I do notice something is late, it must be really late.
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Kirk Melton III Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | 8
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I certainly never spike my TPS reports when I get them from the printer. |
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I spiked my TPS reports once.
Then I was introduced to Terry Tate.
No more spiking.
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | 9
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I often feel this way about pro football players when they make a touchdown. Isn't that what they're supposed to do? I certainly never spike my TPS reports when I get them from the printer. |
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Amusing, if faulty analogy.
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 10
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If football was nothing but touchdowns and fights were nothing but 1 hit knock outs, wouldn't that make watching both sports dull??
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John Byrne
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | 11
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I wonder if this 'superstar' attitude that seems to be plaguing the industry
a relatively new phenomenon, or has it always been a factor?
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Walt Simonson has said I was the first of the superstars in the modern
sense. If we take that as true, merely for the sake of creating a reference
point, then the pandemic quality of this plague antedates my entry into
the business. When I came in, and for several years after, hitting
deadlines still mattered to most people -- even some for whom it came
to matter less and less.
The introduction of royalties did some serious damage. If you're working
for your page rate, you're gonna feel inspired to get as much work in as
fast as you can. If you're getting royalties that, in many cases, are two or
three (or more!) times your page rate, you don't feel so motivated.
(It was a curious phenomenon when the royalties kicked in. I thought
Wow! You mean I can do the same amount of work and make three
times as much money? while others seemed to think Wow! I can do
a third as much work and still make the same money?)
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Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 February 2008 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | 12
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George Perez also did 24 issues of Wonder Woman and 12 issues of Crisis On Infinite Earths
Thought I don't have all those Wonder Woman issues, I did buy those Crisis issues! Duh! I should have thought of that.
On another note, I remember Paul Ryan saying he used to work a 40 hour a week job doing graphic arts, and hated it. Then he got a job drawing comic books, working 60 hours a week. But he loved it!
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