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Steve Swanson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 December 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 333
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:48am | IP Logged | 1
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Actually one of the things bothering me lately is when they announce a project by a perrennially late artist they (company, writer and artist) usually assure us that they have four or five issues done so there really shouldn't be delays.
First two come out on time but usually the lag starts to happen on the third issue, an issue that they said was done before the first was shipped. Does that make any sense at all? I mean I've been up all night and I should really crawl into bed so it might be me who is loopy but that seems bugshit crazy.
Either they have four or five issues of a six issue arc done and that's so they can ship monthly and give the artist 4 or 5 MONTHS to draw one or two comics or they are lying right from the beginning and only the first one and part of the second was actually complete before they solicited it.
Does anybody know the truth? Are they incredibly incompetent and slow or are they just lying to win back customers who might have stayed away if they knew only one and a half issues were in the drawer?
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:50am | IP Logged | 2
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Greg W said "I was shown the door, and the 'slow' artists who delayed the
entire production continued to get work."
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I am in much the same boat, Greg. Working on meeting deadlines ("The ship
date is unmoveable!"), and told afterwards that I should have taken more
time ("We could have moved the ship date!").
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John Byrne
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:51am | IP Logged | 3
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Given that you bailed the company out of a really tight spot, Shooter (or
whoever was handling pay at the time) should've at least given you credit
and payment for full pencils on that issue. I mean, that's just common
courtesy.
••
Remember, most of us were already working for what was barely a notch
above slave wages back then, especially compared to real world
commecial art, so us young punks were really doing it for the joy of
doing it. We did it because we LOVED it, not because we expected to get
rich.
When the royalties/incentives came along, the first thing I pointed out
was that that happy time was going to do a fast fade. People would start
looking for the "hot" books, and the focus would become all about sales
and revenues.
It actually took a wee bit longer than I expected -- but. . .
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 4
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And, tho I get few (and fewer) regular titles nowadays, I noticed that "The
Spirit" has been "late" for months. When it comes out, the ads at the back of
the book are for books that came out a month or two earlier. And this past
issue was a "Holiday Special" (ie Christmas) with a February date on the
cover, and it came out in February.
I find it hard to believe that Cooke, who has been very vocal about being on
time and getting ruffled by all of the others in the industry that have no
mind for deadlines, delayed this book. Anyone know about this?
And as to Brave & the Bold: I heard it was an 8-times-a-year book. Two
months, skip, two months, skip. Repeat. So as to give George enough time
to do the book. But I haven't checked the indicia to verify. Truth?
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John Byrne
Grumpy Old Guy
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 5
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Actually one of the things bothering me lately is when they announce a
project by a perrennially late artist they (company, writer and artist)
usually assure us that they have four or five issues done so there really
shouldn't be delays.
First two come out on time but usually the lag starts to happen on the
third issue, an issue that they said was done before the first was shipped.
Does that make any sense at all? I mean I've been up all night and I
should really crawl into bed so it might be me who is loopy but that
seems bugshit crazy.
••
It seems no one ever does the math -- and that the math is skewed to
begin with, anyway. When an artist tells you there are "four or five issues
in the drawer" it should be taken with the same grain of salt that
accompanies the gal at the counter in a restaurant telling you the wait
will be "20 minutes".
And even if there are two or three -- the more likely number -- issues in
the drawer, when the issues are being produced at the rate of one every
six, or eight, or ten weeks, it doesn't take a whole lot of time for the
deadlines to catch up.
One of the things Roger Stern and I have complained loudly about over
the years is graphic novels that ship late. I mean, honest to cripes, why
would a GN even be scheduled before it was completely finished??
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:00am | IP Logged | 6
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JB said: "FedEx meant you could have it done Monday. "
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At my last job, my boss's boss's boss pushed that as hard as she could. If we
had to get something to a client on Tuesday, she didn't expect to see it done
until as late in the day as possible Monday. If I showed her something
Monday morning she would say "We have plenty of time yet; it doesn't have
to be there until tomorrow" and then would make niggling changes that
would take hours to fix. And then would haunt the doorway all afternoon.
(And as you might be able to tell, I'm at a bad mental space with deadlines
right now...)
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 7
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QUOTE:
How are these books described in the indicia, these days? Are they called monthlies anymore? |
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I'm not sure but I think it depends on the title. I'm looking at the indicia for THOR #5 and it says "Published monthly except semi-monthly in January and February..."
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:07am | IP Logged | 8
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The splash page from ASM #206, courtesy of the DVD-ROM --
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:08am | IP Logged | 9
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JB said: "I mean, honest to cripes, why would a GN even be scheduled before
it was completely finished??"
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We both know the answer to that: there are shelves to fill.
Working in books I have heard the conversation many times: we have a slot
to fill--so what book is closest to being ready so we can fill that slot? And
then, retroactively, that book is late.
Knowing the answer doesn 't make it any easier to understand, tho.
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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 10
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"People would start looking for the "hot" books, and the focus would become all about sales and revenues. "
I read an interview with John Buscema as he was starting his run on Wolverine, and he was saying that it was nice for once to be on the type of book that was likely to pay off royalties.
No "I'm due." No "Give me x-men or else .. " Just " I'm doing Wolverine? Great, I could use the money."
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Jani Evinen Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 11
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JB:
How are these books described in the indicia, these days? Are they called
monthlies anymore?
**********************************************************' It changes from time to time, some issues of All-Star Batman says "published monthly by DC Comics" while other issues say "published bi-monthly" and some comics have the "published monthly, except *insert month".I think some just say "published by" and the company name, even if its supposed to be an ongoing.
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 10:47am | IP Logged | 12
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Howard, I meant I know they can do it. I don't find their late work to be of any higher standard whatsoever. Marc nearly managed bi-weekly a few times on Uncanny. Whilce's work could do without all the excess rendering of biceps or whatever. I'll even toss in that when McFarlane did the bi-weekly Spider-Man it looked pretty similar to his monthly work. While it wasn't as thight as the monthly it was still better than any issue of Spawn.
There's no way they spend 40 hours on one page unless they're insane. Obviously I'm alone in this cause I always thought Jim Lee kept degrading from Uncanny to X-Men to WildCATS. I stilll think WildCATS looks like total trash so I'm still speechless as to why people went apeshit over it. Especially once it got to Killer Instinct. There's no way you can call that progress.
Oh well, went on a rant but that stuff grinds my gears and it's affected me in a way. I always get this annoying voice in the back of my head saying if I go to fast it's bad. But I know it isn't true. Even if Silvestri rushes a monthly it still looks tons better than Mark Bagley cause Silvestri has talent. All his proteges suck no matter what time they take cause they don't have talent. And here I am, a grown person complaining about this on a message board, but that's how it is. I really need to get this off my chest I guess.
Ok, so I'll be sharpening my axe and crap now. *twitches eyes*
Edited by Martin Redmond on 25 February 2008 at 10:55am
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