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John Byrne
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I'd skip the pages with melodrama and jump to the cool battles with the
colorful villain du jour
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And thus did Rob Liefeld become a superstar.
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Aaron Smith
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Greg Woronchak
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Hmm, I see your point <g>....
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Matthew McCallum
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John Byrne wrote:
Dikto said Peter should be a teenager, because the teenage years are the last time someone can really screw up the way Spider-Man so often does. But writers have taken him far beyond his teenage years, giving him a job and a wife and almost a family -- WITHOUT changing the screw-up element. And a pushing-thirty Parker who still screws up in the traditional Spider-Man way IS a loser!
Amen to that! If you assume that the Marvel-time chronology is around 8-10 years since FF 1, then the Peter Parker who is in his late-20s today in Marvel Year 10 is close to the same age as Reed Richards when he was building and launching rockets, and Bruce Banner when he was designing and exploding bombs, both back in Marvel Year 0. In a world of growth and character development, for goodness sakes, after all these years the kid should have put it together by now!
One more reason why we want the illusion of change and not change itself, and why the vast majority of comic characters should remain eternally young in the now…
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John Byrne
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One more reason why we want the illusion of change and not change
itself, and why the vast majority of comic characters should remain
eternally young in the now…
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It's such a simple equation. And yet so many people, so many who
declare themselves die-hard, even expert fans of the form, Just Don't Get
It.
I try to imagine, say, a baseball fan constantly insisting that night games
should be played without lights, or a football fan demanding that the ball
be made four feet wide and foam rubber. Silly as those things sound,
they go to elements of the games that are just as basic as the traditional
non-time of superhero comics.
Of course, deals with Mephisto notwithstanding, this is barn door/cows
time, so the whole debate is ultimately pointless.
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Lars Sandmark
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Please note, the following will sound like alot of ass-kissing,
but it isn't meant to sound so.
I am constantly impressed with how eloquently this John Byrne fellow
explains his point of view.
Concise and straight to the point.
This is an intelligent person speaking intelligently.
The guy knows what he's talking about and can verbalize it. I would think this is so even if he were Anyone on this board, (and not just because I agree with him,either).
I'm reading his posts here, chuckling to myself thinking,
"Wow, he's a smart f***in' guy."
We, all of us here, love comics and Spider-Man.
That's all I gots to say.
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Allen Moyer
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Some people Just Don't Get It.
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***Mick Ward
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Am I the only one who cares about this Jackpot/MJ thing? LOL! While it's not anywhere as high on the agenda as the treatment of Peter... Jackpot... MJ... I just forced myself to read (flick through) that backup again...this whole Marvel thing just stinks!!!!!
Edited by Mick Ward on 17 January 2008 at 12:29am
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David Kingsley Kingsley
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I care about the Jackpot plot point, in that I'm interested, but there's no evidence yet, just a lot of hinting, that it's Mary Jane. Because of that, I'm very much expecting a swerve. However, should Mary Jane have superpowers, I'd be interested to see where this goes. So far, Brand New Day has been excellent, and I have faith in the writers to pull this off, even if it sounds shaky when not knowing the whole story or anything about it.
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Howard Mackie
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I have a question for those who are following this story closely... I have heard that there is a disagreement/falling out between Joe Q and JMS over this storyline. Can anyone tell me what the issues are?
Howard
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Adam Hutchinson
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Howard, I assume it would have something to do with JMS' post that he wanted his name taken off the last issue of OMD, and then his response to Quesada via Newsarama found here.
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I think falling out is too strong of a word, but here's what I know:
Basically both wanted to get Spider-Man back to a certain place.
JMS wanted to tie everything to a single divergent point - the drug storyline in ASM #96-98. Peter would tell someone his concerns about Harry, which meant that Harry would get treatment sooner. This would create a domino effect that would leave Harry and MJ together, Gwen and Norman would have never slept together, Gwen would still be alive, Harry would still be alive, MJ and Peter would have never married, etc., etc. I don't know if the thought was that the more "important stories" would have still happened, albeit in modified form, but that was the starting point.
Joe Q didn't want to go back that far. He just wanted Peter and MJ to have never married (in the new version they were going to, but didn't) and everything else more or less proceeded as written. Nice thought, but from JMS' perspective that wouldn't explain why no one remembers Spider-Man's id, the "post-Other" powers were gone, Aunt May's house was magically restored (it had burned down to give them an excuse to live in Avengers Tower), Harry was still alive, etc. JMS said Joe Q's response was "it's magic, we don't have to explain it."
Since JMS didn't agree with the mechanics of the ending, he wanted to take his name off the story. Eventually they compromised and did a "Story and Art" credit.
JMS mentioned the "wanting to take his name off of the book" bit before it came out without any details. That led a bunch of fans to conclude the reason for it was that JMS didn't like the idea of retconning Spidey history (including his entire run). In response to those rumors, Joe Q said that JMS was into the idea and what got shut down was JMS' plan to wipe out more Spidey continuity. Which then got a response by JMS with the whole "It's magic" thing.
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