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Paulo Pereira
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| I'd expect it was rather high, given that it was teased as Spider-Man's new status quo, as well as having a new writer/artist team. |
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I expect you're right, but I also wonder how much of it is due to speculators, like with Death of Captain America issue.
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Ben Schwartz
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JB, reading your description of the Shaper of Worlds storyline made something click in my head. In the first part of the two-parter where Flash Thompson lives out his dreamworld, the cover features the silhouette of a pointy-eared figure--presumably the mastermind behind the story. The second part of the tale reveals Mysterio as the man behind the curtain, however the silhouette on that cover is definitely not his. For years I have wondered whose silhouette that was--when I first bought the issue, I thought it looked like a skrull; later on, I realized it could also fit with JB's redesign of the Green Goblin, with the form-fitting skull cap. Now I'm wondering, since the story deals with alternate realities (virtual, though they may be), if that's the silhouette of the Shaper and perhaps plans changed during the production that issue? (I also remember that the second part of the story was originally solicited to be in Peter Parker: Spider-Man, not ASM, which could support the idea that there was a change in plans but could also have nothing to do with anything...)
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Scott Madsen
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| Posted: 15 January 2008 at 9:28pm | IP Logged | 3
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(I haven't read OMD...)
The Shaper story also appears to have a moment where Our Hero realizes that reality has been messed with and many people's lives altered without their consent, and makes an attempt to correct this.
In OMD, as I understand it, Peter and MJ take rather a different approach....
(Interestingly, in all my years, I don't think I've ever read a Marvel Comic with the Shaper in it, or even seen one.)
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Ben Schwartz
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Also, a question for JB regarding the Shaper storyline: in the new reality, would Spider-Man have memories of all the adventures he had while married, minus the marriage (for example, would Venom be an established enemy or would he have to be re-introduced in the new reality?)
Too bad you and Howard Mackie opted against doing this storyline--it sounds like it would have been a great read. You could have milked a lot of drama out of getting Spider-Man to his lowest point, the issue that fades to black sounds really suspenseful, and I can just imagine how awesome and confusing-in-the-good-way it would have been to open the next issue and read about a high school aged Parker. (All other complaints aside, that's where I think the OMD reboot dropped the ball--not making him a teenager again.)
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John Wyatt
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I was curious how much revenue the studios got from DVD sales, and I was surprised to find out:
In 2004, " the six major studios—Disney, Fox, Warner Bros., Paramount, Universal, Sony, and their subsidiaries—had total revenues of $7.4 billion from world box-office sales, $20.9 billion from world video sales, and $17.7 billion from world television licensing."
Source: http://www.slate.com/id/2124078/?nav=tap3
I found that quite surprising. I've been told that there is a similar scenario happening with the revenues comic companies receive from trades. I'll try to find a source for that.
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***Mick Ward
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Now, hands up who can tell us why this fix -- love it, hate it, feel totally
indifferent about it -- is better than the Mephisto fix?
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It didn't require Peter to "sell out" or make any moral choice that impacts his
character. And there is no obvious cop-out.
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And we have a winner!
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But may I add that the Shaper fix also leaves me holding on to some continuity.
Okay with the Shaper fix things have been changed but unlike the current scenario where Spidey and the supporting cast know nothing about what has gone on, JB's fix leaves it possible for Pete to remember more. After being visited by the Shaper he learns SOMETHING has changed, something has happened.
Kinda of opens the door to the possibility of him remembering more down the track and perhaps if it was decided the right thing to do, Peter could work toward winning back MJ or similar. Or maybe readers would get a kick out of seeing a natural reunion between the two in the years to come? Sure this could happen under the current fix but it would seem way more plausible and interesting if Pete was to learn enough to want to pursue MJ with the 'all to be revealed' scenario if it comes to fruition.. .years down the track... whatever. But many more scenarios could be generated, not necessarily a re-union, I just lean toward a re-union only because I would like to see it. Any scenario that related to the marriage status-quo would seem way more plausible under JB's fix and any direction chosen could easily remain faithful to continuity!
Unlike the Mephisto fix where the last 20 years feel they have been rudely thrown away!
*** Edited a few times cause initially it made no sense at all LOL ***
Edited by Mick Ward on 16 January 2008 at 12:52am
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John Wyatt
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"Just read that ASM # 546 has sold out and is going into a second printing. So, despite the controversy, it looks like this "Brand New Day" thing has convinced people to pick up the book. At least for now."
I thought Marvel didn't do that any more. Where did you see that?
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***Mick Ward
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And does anyone else agree with me that if if Marvel opened up deaths door for Spidey with OMD then with JACKPOT - the back up story (assuming it does indeed feature the new MJ - how could it not?) in Amazing 546, Marvel dragged Spidey through that door and closed it shut for good?
While it's still for speculation, hell I had hoped the 'whisper' was MJ being the mother she wanted to be, her end of the deal being that somehow/somewhere she would BE the mother of that little girl revealed to be 'theirs' in a possible future near the conclusion of OMD. Ya know, that the little girl would one day be born to MJ - or NO DEAL? That would have shown some very much needed respect to MJ's character.
Or the whisper was maybe leaving the door open for a possible shake up somewhere down the track if needed - ie; the story of how MJ 'tricked' the devil.
But if this JACKPOT is who and what I think, if this is revealed to be what MJ bargained for with Mephisto - quite literally this will leave me forever disgusted with Marvel and their fan-boy handling of this title. It is my opinion this would/will only provoke fans further and add to the disrespect Marvel have shown not only for these characters but for the generations of loyal readers of this title.
Disappointing.
Edited by Mick Ward on 16 January 2008 at 1:23am
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David Kingsley Kingsley
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I thought "One More Day" was poorly plotted, but I honestly don't think having Peter Parker attempt suicide is any less out of character or less subersive than having him make a deal with the "devil". And it sounds like it could logically only be a suicide attempt, as having him slip or fall of a bridge needs to conveniently forget his power to cling to surfaces, spider-sense, or it, for the sake of servicing only the story, makes him a clod (Spider-Man slipping off a bridge is the equivalent of Captain America tripping over a cape).
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 16 January 2008 at 7:44am | IP Logged | 10
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Kinda of opens the door to the possibility of him remembering more down
the track…
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Which is precisely not the point of our story, but precisely what we would
expect some other writer to do later on.
One of the things that have gone wrong in American superhero comics in, o,
say, the last thirty years or so, is that the influx of fans-turned-pro seems
to have meant that no door can ever be left unopened.
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John Byrne
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…I honestly don't think having Peter Parker attempt suicide is any less out of
character…
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Which is why. . .
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Greg McPhee
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Reading what's going on here makes Ben Reilly seem like really good idea for hitting the rewind button.
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