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David Miller
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JB: What was your reason for having the tickles last as long as nine or ten months after the Shaper explained everything? Why not just make a clean break immediately?
Edited by David Miller on 15 January 2008 at 4:32pm
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Paulo Pereira
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That scenario also utilizes a character that actually possesses such power.
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Gregg Halecki
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I think the part of this whole thing that I have the LEAST problem with is allowing Mephisto to have that power.
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Mike O'Brien
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I like JB's story but I have a question about it - I don't get the "Shapers" intentions - I guess I'm not familiar with the character, but why would he do that? It seems kind of Dues Ex Machina to me, unless I there's something about the character I don't get?
Having said that, I enjoy JB and Howard Mackie's stories, (I loved their work on Spider-Man!) so, I suspect the answer to that is in the details and would have been explained, but in this rough outline form, it left me a little puzzled. Is the Shaper a guy who is normally drawn to pain, and is willing to give out life-fixing solutions to it?
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Mark Haslett
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JB,
Did discussion of this story go any further than you and Howard before you dropped it?
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Greg Kirkman
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I like JB's story but I have a question about it - I don't get the "Shapers" intentions - I guess I'm not familiar with the character, but why would he do that? It seems kind of Dues Ex Machina to me, unless I there's something about the character I don't get?
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The Shaper has a strong desire to fulfill the dreams of others, since he does not have any dreams of his own.
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John Byrne
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Did discussion of this story go any further than you and Howard before you
dropped it?
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We ran it by Bob Harras, who thought it was too cosmic for a "street level"
character like Spider-Man (we agreed -- we were spitballing). He also
expressed a problem with the "suicide" aspect.
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Greg Kirkman
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Well, black magic isn't cosmic, right?
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John Byrne
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And Bob Harras isn't EiC any more.
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Paulo Pereira
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I'd consider Mephisto as cosmic as anything else. He's gone after the Surfer and allied himself with Thanos.
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Brian Hunt
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He also expressed a problem with the "suicide" aspect.
That would have also been my concern.
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Martin Redmond
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With all due respect, I think it's a good thing that the Shapers of World fix got rejected. It's better to just reboot cold or give a book some sort of clean conclusion, which doesn't have to end in death, which will never happen, Such, therefore I give my vote for the cold, no explanations given reboot.
The die of fate hasth been cast!!!
Edited by Martin Redmond on 15 January 2008 at 7:08pm
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