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Rich Abreu
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What do you mean?  The reboot made prior knowledge of Spider-Man a handicap more than anything else.

All it added was another layer of continuity to sift through along with having people to deal with which stories are valid or not.



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The last line in Matt's youtube video he linked to is perfect.  Sums up the current comic market situation perfectly.
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What the--?
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Okay -- I'm going to slightly bend one of my rules, and spell out for you what Howard and I briefly -- o, so briefly! -- considered for our Shaper of Worlds "fix".

In a nutshell, Peter Parker's life goes completely to hell. Cut his life into the thinnest slices you can, and there will be something very, wrong with every slice. Everything has gone wrong.

He finds himself once more on top of the Brooklyn Bridge. This is the point where it all went to hell, he thinks. When Gwen died. Or when Captain Stacey died. Or when Uncle Ben died. Or when that damn spider bit him. There's no way to pick a point. It's all just blackness, blackness and more blackness. And…

He falls from the bridge. Did he slip? Did he jump? We'll never know. Because the last shot in that issue is him falling like a limp rag wrapped around a rock…

…And next issue he wakes up back in Queens, back in Aunt May's house, back in high school. Along with everybody else in his supporting cast, he's been rewound. Only, he doesn't know that. The readers know it, of course, but for Peter, it's business as usual -- for maybe two issues. Then there's this little tickle at the back of his brain that tells him this isn't right. Look over there. Johnny Storm is twenty-something. Why does Peter think they should be contemporaries? It's just little things, but over the span of a few issues it brings him back to the Bridge again. Here. Something happened here. What? What happened?

"I happened," says the Shaper of Worlds, appearing alongside Peter. "I was drawn by your pain. I reached into your mind and found the last place you were happy. And I put you back there. I fixed everything."

"Well, UNfix it," demands Peter.

"No can do," says the Shaper. "What I shape, remains shaped." And he disappears.

Peter goes back to Queens. What can he do? He can't tell anybody. And -- now that he's met the Shaper, he's finding those little tickles are starting to disappear. Like they're being erased. Like he's forgetting that things used to be different.

By the end of maybe nine, ten months, the status quo would be the status quo, and no further mention would be made of the Shaper, or the previous timeline. (Well, until someone else took over the character, that is. Or until someone in an unrelated title was shown reading the latest AMAZING and laughing. You know, professional stuff.)

Now, hands up who can tell us why this fix -- love it, hate it, feel totally indifferent about it -- is better than the Mephisto fix?

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I am not saying that every direction that a charachter has ever ben moved into is right, or even good. What I am saying is that if there is a natural flow of events that takes a charachter in a particular direction, then it should be followed. The trick is making it gradual enough to make sense. I don't want Spiderman to be the exact same as is 1980 or 1970. I want 2007 to advance from 2006 a little bit in some direction. Then I want 2008 to advance slightly in some same or other direction. This way that in 2017 you can look at where he is and see where he was and follow that path. That path could look like Right Right Doen Left Right Up Down Left Up Left Left. Or it could look like Right Right Right Right Up Right Left. The first leaves the charachter relatively close to where the path started. The second is much farther. It isn't where the charachter ends up that is important. It is the path that gets him there that is interesting.
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Now, hands up who can tell us why this fix -- love it, hate it, feel totally indifferent about it -- is better than the Mephisto fix?

It didn't require Peter to "sell out" or make any moral choice that impacts his character.  And there is no obvious cop-out.

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JB- That little storyline you laid out to me reminds me of several recent plotlines. The return of Bucky and the return of Jason Todd.

Wait...hear me out on this....

Those are two storylines that I would say are some of the worst ideas EVER. Absolutely reducing "classic" elements of comicdom to the scrap heap because you as a creator want something that is not, to be your way on a big scale.

Those two storylines while reading, I enjoyed TREMENDOUSLY. Moreso the Bucky one. I think that is about as good as anything I have read in 10 or more years.

I would have enjoyed your story equally I am sure. I would have hated the premise, but it wouldn't have kept me from loving the execution of it.
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Better than Mephisto. by far.

Maybe some reserve about the "last time you were happy" thing, but thats how the Shapper works, and thats far easier to swallow than OMD.

 

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Now, hands up who can tell us why this fix -- love it, hate it, feel totally
indifferent about it -- is better than the Mephisto fix?

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It didn't require Peter to "sell out" or make any moral choice that impacts his
character. And there is no obvious cop-out.

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And we have a winner!
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The return of Bucky and the return of Jason Todd.

Wait...hear me out on this....

Those are two storylines that I would say are some of the worst ideas EVER. Absolutely reducing "classic" elements of comicdom to the scrap heap because you as a creator want something that is not, to be your way on a big scale.

Those two storylines while reading, I enjoyed TREMENDOUSLY. Moreso the Bucky one. I think that is about as good as anything I have read in 10 or more years.

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A bad idea is still a bad idea, even if the execution is somehow entertaining.

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Posted: 15 January 2008 at 4:26pm | IP Logged | 12  

Now at the time the problems were mainly the fact that too many people knew Pete's secret id, and the clone saga, and "Norman".

I don't consider the marriage in itself a bad thing. The reason why i'm not again letting it go away is it allows writers to do stories about the version of Spider-Man most of they seem to prefer.



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