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Matt Hawes
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Brad wrote:
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Possibly not, but having one of the publishers' most noble and ethical characters make a deal with Marvel's version of Satan is pretty much one of the absolute WORST ways to do a reboot (and this coming after the Clone Saga)!
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Paulo Pereira
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| And please, everyone, don't think I remotely agree with the guy except for one thing: There was no good way to do a reboot. |
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Well, they might have avoided using Mephisto at least.
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Brad Danson
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...make a deal with Marvel's version of Satan is pretty much one of the absolute WORST ways to do a reboot.
I COMPLETELY agree.
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Ian Carroll
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And please, everyone, don't think I remotely agree with the guy except
for one thing: There was no good way to do a reboot.
I agree, which is why Quesada shouldn't have done it, or rather, made the
short-sighted decision (to needlessly publicly unmask Spider-Man) that
made it necessary. The "deal with the devil" crap is definitely a "cure"
that is worse than the "disease."
What's worse: Spider-Man being married to MJ, or making Mephisto the
de facto ruler of the MU?
If this new "status quo" is "magic," it's black magic of the highest
order! Doctor Strange should be working hard at dismantling it! (A
mini-series idea?)
Edited by Ian Carroll on January 15 2008 at 10:58am
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Dave Phelps
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Everything I have seen coming out of ^^***** for the past five or six years
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I'm starting to wonder if there's just too much of an emphasis on "shocking events" and not enough on exploring the ramifications of said events. If there's one thing anyone should have learned from Stan, it's to milk a situation until it bleeds before screwing with it.
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The unmasking/reset struck me as a combination of both. As near as I can tell, the unmasking/Civil War tie-ins were supposed to lead directly into One More Day. (And if you thought the unmasking fans ticked off by the quick reset were pissed off NOW...) The only purpose of the unmasking was to get Aunt May shot and have it be Peter's fault so Peter would be desperate enough to agree to Mephisto's deal. However, since Joe Q needed a lot more time to draw the thing, they tossed in the "Back in Black" story to tie into the recent movie and then did OMD. So the big picture was more or less agreed on, but some of the details were worked out on the fly.
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And -- to flip that -- if the Mephisto "fix" was part of a long term
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Sad, isn't it? :-/
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Howard Mackie
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I have observed these boards long enough to know that there are good number of Christians as members. SO, what do YOU think about OMD from the point of view of a Christian?
Howard
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Howard Mackie
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<<...There was no good way to do a reboot....>>
No, but there are CLEANER ways to do it. This seems to require much more of an explanation that expected, and involves forces outside of the normal Spider-Man corner of the MU.
Howard
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Greg Woronchak
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As a Christian with a small 'c' (I believe, but my faith is not as strong as it could be, I have too many troubling philosophical questions <g>) the whole Mephisto twist isn't that big a deal. I've always considered him some lame-ass demon boss, anyhoo <g>.
I don't think comic books are a good medium to tackle religious concepts (either directly or by accident) anyway, they're just funny books (to me).
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Greg Kirkman
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Now that I think about it, wasn't Parker still a college freshman -- and
therefore still a teenager -- when Stan hit the 100 issue mark and moved
on?
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Most likely a sophomore, according to some research I did a while back.
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Paulo Pereira
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The Christian angle certainly raises a question. If the undoing of the marriage is something Mephisto does to stick it to "God", I guess "God" is some ineffectual figure that is unable to do anything about it?
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Regardless of age, there was a fair of "adultifying" Peter throughout Stan's run, going from "Sally I was wondering if you want to go to a science exhibit" in AF #15 to trying to remove his powers so he could marry Gwen in Amazing #100. That said, he's struck me as "age neutral" from the latter point of the Stan run to... well, still, really. Any aging he's undergone since then has come more from "noticing the milestones" (i.e., if he's done with undergraduate study he's probably 21) than any particular change in behavior.
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I believe it was mentioned in a story a year or three back that Peter is now at least 30.
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I have observed these boards long enough to know that there are good
number of Christians as members. SO, what do YOU think about OMD from
the point of view of a Christian?
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I'm catholic, and I don't consider OMD blasphemy. In fact, I don't even consider Mephisto to be the devil at all. He's a cosmic character, introduced in the pages of the Silver Surfer. Sure, he has similarities to the devil, but how many devils did the DC universe have? Three Vertigo devils, plus Satanus and Neron. And I'm sure there's more.
If they revealed tomorrow that Mephisto is an imp from the fifth dimension who appears in "our" dimension every 90 days to play mindgames, I wouldn't raise an eyebrow.
Besides, even if we assume that Mephisto is the devil, Lucifer, Satan, the fallen angel... then I still don't have a problem with MJ and Peter dealing with him. They didn't give him their souls. They didn't kill any person (and I don't count a hypothetical daughter from a possible alternate future as a person, sorry). They gave him their marriage, something that could easily be regained. They were faced with a single decision: One person dies, or no person dies.
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